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12-30-2012, 04:48 PM
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getting the call RIGHT!
I said a dodgy call i.e. controversial, not wrong.

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Good, so you are at the same level as the zamboni driver and the lady selling hot chocolate. Know your role.

I wish every ref went into games thinking, "How can I make this the best game for these players?". Skating over to the bench and telling a player to stop clearing the puck is pathetic, and thats what gives refs a bad rep. If this ref goes over and says, "Hey, I'm getting old, give me an extra second next time," and laughs it off, the entire atmosphere of the game would be different, and I highly doubt he's going to be 'targeted' (as the scenario seemed to imply) by that player/eam.
To try and make something constructive out of this conversation, here is an experience I had that touches a lot of bases that we have already seen here.

Beer league game, C-level, almost everyone on the ice is a novice adult player. Defenseman clears the puck hard off the linesman exactly as described in the story upthread, just as the period ends.

Not only does the ref yell at the player, he skates back to the penalty box for his intermission breather while making audible comments about crap C-league players not knowing what they're doing. It's kind of funny how strongly he echoed the comments upthread that this situation tends to arise with "crap players and kids".

Well, here's the thing... those might be crappy C-league players, but that night he was a C-league ref. He knew he was on the ice with guys who had minimal experience, playing for fun, so why turn that into some kind of insult?

IMO, the best refs to play and work with are the ones who recognize the purpose of the league, be it competitive or recreational, and bring an appropriately tuned attitude to the rink. That sets a tone for everyone else.

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12-31-2012, 06:29 AM
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On the subject of bad refs; Hannah from the movie Youngblood, how was this guy allowed to ref the Memorial Cup? He's terrible

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Fair play to the refs on here that aren't budging.

Most of the players posting sound like absolute whiners, it's embarrassing. Worse when my team does it in a game.

Play by the rules and don't earn a reputation of constantly arguing every call or you will help create the proverbial chip on the shoulder.

Captains/assistant capt. Should be the only ones talking to a ref and players should do their part in controlling a game as well.
Seriously? The convo started with a ref defending another ref for yelling at players for clearing the puck.

Now, you want to say good job for Refs a.) Not admitting they are wrong when they are, and b.) Not explaining controversial calls during the game?

These issues only divide players and refs further, within that game, and leave unnecessary negative thoughts about each other moving forward.

A ref is there to control the game, and most of that can be done through simple communication.

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12-31-2012, 08:51 AM
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On the subject of bad refs; Hannah from the movie Youngblood, how was this guy allowed to ref the Memorial Cup? He's terrible
Well, both championship teams picked up players right before the playoffs... one was a goon, the other an inexperienced, undersized kid. They both were the top goal scorers on their respective teams during the playoffs.

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This is the worse thread I've ever read on this board.

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This is the worse thread I've ever read on this board.
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Seriously? The convo started with a ref defending another ref for yelling at players for clearing the puck.

Now, you want to say good job for Refs a.) Not admitting they are wrong when they are, and b.) Not explaining controversial calls during the game?

These issues only divide players and refs further, within that game, and leave unnecessary negative thoughts about each other moving forward.

A ref is there to control the game, and most of that can be done through simple communication.
sure thats how it started, but the conversation went a different direction. and a ref shouldnt admit they were wrong during a game...horrible idea. because of players similar to you. when your blood is boiling and you finally get a call going your way then the ref said he was wrong and takes it back...im sure both teams will respect him. its the refs choice to explain a call. especially in beer league. usually a captain should skate up for a quick convo, but emotional players always surround the ref and then he just gets fed up. i wouldnt give whiney babies what they want either, but im not a ref, so who knows.

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The advice that I always followed and worked for me was:

He that remains calm under all circumstances, has the upper hand.

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Why would you think that I think that you're being an ***?
Nooo haha, I mean in respect of the players on the ice!

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Seriously? The convo started with a ref defending another ref for yelling at players for clearing the puck.

Now, you want to say good job for Refs a.) Not admitting they are wrong when they are, and b.) Not explaining controversial calls during the game?

These issues only divide players and refs further, within that game, and leave unnecessary negative thoughts about each other moving forward.

A ref is there to control the game, and most of that can be done through simple communication.
IDC that this is unprofessional..

You come across as being, a whiny little kid on the ice, if im honest...

I'd just chuck you Tens and laugh in your face, and probably want to jump you for being an ***.

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Ok, I'd like some input from our resident refs on this one.

Player A trips an opponent leading to a delayed call. During the delay, a scrum breaks out between two other guys, unrelated. Player A's teammate, Player B, jumps in and earns a second minor penalty.

After the offsetting minors are sorted, is it:

5-on-4 for 4:00
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5-on-3 for 2:00?

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Ok, I'd like some input from our resident refs on this one.

Player A trips an opponent leading to a delayed call. During the delay, a scrum breaks out between two other guys, unrelated. Player A's teammate, Player B, jumps in and earns a second minor penalty.

After the offsetting minors are sorted, is it:

5-on-4 for 4:00
or
5-on-3 for 2:00?
Two different guys got minors so it's 5 on 3 for 2:00. If it was 5 on 4 for 4:00 and you've got two guys sitting in the box, only one can come out when the penalty expires, so it doesn't make sense to do that.

It's only 5 on 4 for 4:00 if the same player got 2 penalties because you want to avoid putting in a substitute if possible.


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Ok, I'd like some input from our resident refs on this one.

Player A trips an opponent leading to a delayed call. During the delay, a scrum breaks out between two other guys, unrelated. Player A's teammate, Player B, jumps in and earns a second minor penalty.

After the offsetting minors are sorted, is it:

5-on-4 for 4:00
or
5-on-3 for 2:00?
Would it not be 5-on-4 for 2:00 and a Third Man In for player B?

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Two different guys got minors so it's 5 on 3 for 2:00. If it was 5 on 4 for 4:00 and you've got two guys sitting in the box, only one can come out when the penalty expires, so it doesn't make sense to do that.

It's only 5 on 4 for 4:00 if the same player got 2 penalties because you want to avoid putting in a substitute if possible.
That's what I thought. I was scorekeeping a game when this happened and I instinctively put the 5-on-3 on the scoreboard, which led to a long delay because the ref wanted a 4:00 PP. I'm not sure what happened there... maybe he got mixed up in the penalties and called out something wrong.

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Would it not be 5-on-4 for 2:00 and a Third Man In for player B?
It wasn't an actual fight, just a couple of guys pushing and chirping. Minors for everyone.

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It wasn't an actual fight, just a couple of guys pushing and chirping. Minors for everyone.
Ahh ok haha!

Yeah 5-on-3 for 2:00!

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Few weeks ago, i had very scary moment at our game. The puck was going to behind of our goal. I was retrieving that puck with one opposite player behind me. About ten feet before the boards, that opposite player crosschecks me from behind, and I fell head first to the boards. I was carried to hospital after this collision. And the refs gave only 2 min to opposite player for cross-checking and I got 2+10 for diving. Our coach got a game misconduct too, cause he asked from refs "how that player is able to hit a player who doesn't have the puck from behind and how he didn't get match penalty?" and those refs answered "that was players own mistake to be on ice at that moment". So, if you were officiating exactly this kind of case, what penalties you think you had to call? Answers please

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Few weeks ago, i had very scary moment at our game. The puck was going to behind of our goal. I was retrieving that puck with one opposite player behind me. About ten feet before the boards, that opposite player crosschecks me from behind, and I fell head first to the boards. I was carried to hospital after this collision. And the refs gave only 2 min to opposite player for cross-checking and I got 2+10 for diving. Our coach got a game misconduct too, cause he asked from refs "how that player is able to hit a player who doesn't have the puck from behind and how he didn't get match penalty?" and those refs answered "that was players own mistake to be on ice at that moment". So, if you were officiating exactly this kind of case, what penalties you think you had to call? Answers please
Due to the fact your head went into the boards, I'd expect a 2+10 as the minimum for a check from behind...

Then, factoring in injury, I'd assess a match either for Check from Behind or Boarding - I assume you 'violently' went into the boards?

But a 2+10 for diving? That is certainly a phantom call as far as I'm concerned!

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Few weeks ago, i had very scary moment at our game. The puck was going to behind of our goal. I was retrieving that puck with one opposite player behind me. About ten feet before the boards, that opposite player crosschecks me from behind, and I fell head first to the boards. I was carried to hospital after this collision. And the refs gave only 2 min to opposite player for cross-checking and I got 2+10 for diving. Our coach got a game misconduct too, cause he asked from refs "how that player is able to hit a player who doesn't have the puck from behind and how he didn't get match penalty?" and those refs answered "that was players own mistake to be on ice at that moment". So, if you were officiating exactly this kind of case, what penalties you think you had to call? Answers please
I'm pretty sure a 2+10 for diving does not exist in the rules of any governing body

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Did the +10 for diving really matter if he was on a stretcher going to the hospital?

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Did the +10 for diving really matter if he was on a stretcher going to the hospital?
Yes because someone else on the team would have to sit the 10

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Yes because someone else on the team would have to sit the 10
Talking about hollywooding it just to get a call.

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Yes because someone else on the team would have to sit the 10
At least for USA Hockey rules, no one has to sit the 10 for the player.

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At least for USA Hockey rules, no one has to sit the 10 for the player.
That's the problem with this thread, all the different jurisdictions have varying rules.

Must admit I'm not really sure, it would make sense to not have someone else sit the 10, but for any other penalty you would have to put someone else in the box if the offending player got injured.

It won't be in the normal rules so I would have to consult the IIHF casebook on this one, and that's far too much effort.

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