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12-13-2012, 10:08 PM
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Why not go to the Islanders? He has a cup, a lucrative contract, and the Isles are an up-and-coming team with a very underrated generational talent (Tavares). Plus they'll be moving to the new Brooklyn arena in a couple years. Is it not possible he might want to re-sign with the Isles?

You make it sound like it's so far-fetched, but it's really not out of the realm of possibility. Is it likely? Maybe not. But certainly more likely than you're suggesting.
The Islanders are a consistent cap floor team, and despite picking top-10 for several years they haven't moved anywhere in the standings. There is no chance Boyle would agree to go to the Isles. No chance at all. He wants to win another Cup.

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12-13-2012, 10:33 PM
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Why should the Islanders be on his list? He has a cup, a lucrative contract, and the Isles are an up-and-coming team with a very underrated generational talent (Tavares). Plus they'll be moving to the new Brooklyn arena in a couple years. Is it not possible he might want to re-sign with the Isles?

You make it sound like it's so far-fetched, but it's really not out of the realm of possibility. Is it likely? Maybe not. But certainly more likely than you're suggesting.
Even if he doesn't mind going to NY, NY doesn't want Boyle, at least not at the cost of Grabner.

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12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
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Grabner's value is currently low but he has a ton of upside. NYI would rather keep him and hope he turns his game around rather than shop him while he's worth less.

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12-13-2012, 11:22 PM
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By the time the islanders move to brooklyn boyle most likely will be in his final year of his career. Aren't they moving in 2015?

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12-14-2012, 02:40 AM
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By the time the islanders move to brooklyn boyle most likely will be in his final year of his career. Aren't they moving in 2015?
Yes, 2015-2016 is the first year of the agreement in Brooklyn.

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All valid reasons why it would never happen.

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12-30-2012, 04:31 PM
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin...e-cap-casualty

Kurz (with FUD) on changes the Sharks may have to make to get cap compliant, should the cap be set at $60mm.

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12-30-2012, 06:35 PM
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/kevin...e-cap-casualty

Kurz (with FUD) on changes the Sharks may have to make to get cap compliant, should the cap be set at $60mm.
Kurz suggesting the Sharks could buyout Marleau? Not the worlds biggest fan of Patty's lack of effort but come on Kurz, that's not happening. We wouldn't need to make that much space anyway.

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12-30-2012, 06:43 PM
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When did Clowe get a concussion this year? I thought it was just a facial fracture, hence the full cage.

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Kurz suggesting the Sharks could buyout Marleau? Not the worlds biggest fan of Patty's lack of effort but come on Kurz, that's not happening. We wouldn't need to make that much space anyway.
Kurz's stance on Marleau has always been the same. He wants him gone. That's fine but rarely does he offer a legitimately realistic way for it to occur. The Sharks, even with a cap exemption from the buyout, aren't going to make that much real dollars dead weight. It just isn't going to happen. I'd guess Stuart or Niemi before Marleau.

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When did Clowe get a concussion this year? I thought it was just a facial fracture, hence the full cage.
I don't think he did. I thought he admitted to a concussion at the end of the 2011 playoffs but not this year.

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12-31-2012, 03:27 AM
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I don't think he did. I thought he admitted to a concussion at the end of the 2011 playoffs but not this year.
I think that was a shoulder injury in the playoffs (Wellwood had to tie his skates for him). I remember Clowe making fun of Kesler who kept on asking about his concussion symptoms during that series.

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12-31-2012, 03:58 AM
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Kurz suggesting the Sharks could buyout Marleau? Not the worlds biggest fan of Patty's lack of effort but come on Kurz, that's not happening. We wouldn't need to make that much space anyway.
"Hey guys let's buy out our fastest and 2nd most offensively gifted forward. Seems like a great way to help address team needs and clears cap space! Win-win!" - Kevin Kurz, Sharks insider.

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for being cap compliant marleau makes the most sense, considering the sharks would then have about 2.5-3 million in cap space to then fill up 3 spots.

for being a better team, it would be better to get buy out boyle. i know that won't be a popular choice either, but the defense is where the sharks can afford to lose a player in. and boyle has someone that can replace him already on the team.

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Can a team buy out a player and then sign him again at a lesser amount?

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Can a team buy out a player and then sign him again at a lesser amount?
Yes. I think it was done before.

edit: actually, not sure. Doesn't really make sense for a team to do that.

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Yes. I think it was done before.

edit: actually, not sure. Doesn't really make sense for a team to do that.
If they need the space it could. You buy out Marleau, you still need to replace him. Why not resign him at 4mil a year for 5 or 6 years and ensure he retires a Shark?

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12-31-2012, 01:58 PM
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If they need the space it could. You buy out Marleau, you still need to replace him. Why not resign him at 4mil a year for 5 or 6 years and ensure he retires a Shark?
The buy out for Marleau is $2.3M. I don't think it'd be possible to sign him to the type of contract that would result in significant cap savings.

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Didn't Ottawa do it with Alfie?

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12-31-2012, 04:41 PM
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Didn't Ottawa do it with Alfie?
Yah. You can do it, but it only makes sense if it's an amnesty buy out with Marleau. If we can buy him out with zero cap hit penalty and then re-sign him to a cheaper deal (he might make the same amount between buy out and new salary) where our cap hit is lower.

If the cap is lower they are going to add some kind of provision so the majority of the league is automatically compliant. Most likely some kind of percentage, or an amnesty situation. I can't imagine them telling teams to shave 5+ million off players they already have signed.

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12-31-2012, 11:17 PM
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Didn't Ottawa do it with Alfie?
Pretty sure Alfredsson was the exception (had some clause in his contract or something). From what I can tell and from my looking into the CBA, the team who buys out a player cannot re-sign the said player for that following season.
Of course, that was the old CBA. They might make it viable for the next season only to help a few teams get under the cap. Using the old CBA rules though, the option of buying out Marleau and re-signing him doesn't work, amnesty or not.

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The buy out for Marleau is $2.3M. I don't think it'd be possible to sign him to the type of contract that would result in significant cap savings.
While we're not sure on the details yet, I believe the single 2013-14 "compliance buyout" the NHLPA wants added to the CBA would not count against the cap at all.

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While we're not sure on the details yet, I believe the single 2013-14 "compliance buyout" the NHLPA wants added to the CBA would not count against the cap at all.
i liked the idea larry brookes had, if a player is bought out that if he signs another contract the new team can't sign him for any more then the difference between the buy out tag and the actual price tag.

so in marleau's case he would be getting 2.3 million from the buy out, so the max the new team could pay him would be 4.6 million.

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what's our bottom 6 if the season starts?

galiardi - handzus - wingels
mccarthy - desjardins - burish

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Oh God, I just realized how terribad our bottom 6 really is....

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You only just realized this? Andrew Desjardins is our 8th best forward.

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