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Jake Gardiner + for the 1st overall selection in 2013 Draft

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12-31-2012, 05:44 PM
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If it was Edmonton with that pick there is no way that trade gets the deal done.
Was pretty sure that was the case

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12-31-2012, 05:45 PM
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There's a thread that explains the lottery system in the event of a lockout. It isn't what you are suggesting.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1244645

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TEAMS WITH THREE BALLS (7)
Calgary, Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, Toronto, Winnipeg

TEAMS WITH TWO BALLS (6)
Anaheim, Colorado, Florida, New York (I), St. Louis, Tampa Bay

TEAMS WITH ONE BALL (17)
Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, New York (R), Ottawa, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Vancouver, Washington
Toronto would have the same chance as Calgary or Carolina. Edmonton the same as the perennial contenders.


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12-31-2012, 05:45 PM
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Assuming no season the Oilers would be tied for the the worst chance at the 1st overall along with the teams that made the playoffs 2+ times in the last 3 years. This is assuming they do it like the Crosby draft. For that draft each team started with 3 balls and 1 was removed for each time they made the playoffs or drafted 1st overall in the previous 3 seasons, and all teams had to have at least one ball. With 3 1st overalls the Oilers would only have one ball in the lottery.
That's interesting. I wonder who would end up with 1st overall than?

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12-31-2012, 05:45 PM
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I was under the impression, that the worst 5 teams of the past three years would be averaged out, and than they would have the most draft balls to move up in the draft. Similar to what they do every year.

I believe if you average out Toronto's last 3 seasons they would fall at the #4 position. And of course since Edmonton has drafted in the 1st spot the last 3 years in a row, they would sit at #1 unless they were displaced by a team that won the draft by moving up.
Why would they do it that way?

In 05/06, it was done as a random draft, with every team having I believe 5 lottery balls, but teams lost a ball for each first overall pick in the last 5 years and for each playoff birth in each of the last 5 years. Which would mean Edmonton would have as good of chance of winning the lottery this year as Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington, Vancouver and other contenders. Not like other lower teams like Toronto, NY Islanders, etc.

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Nevermind, someone else beat me to the lottery explanation, ha ha.

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The Leafs will have equal chance if not better to win the lottery.

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12-31-2012, 05:49 PM
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There's a thread that explains the lottery system in the event of a lockout. It isn't what you are suggesting.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1244645
Thank you.

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12-31-2012, 05:50 PM
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Yeah no one would go for that.

Gardiner + Biggs/Kadri + 1st (if top 10) may do it.

Rielly + Biggs/Kadri + 1st (not top 10)

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12-31-2012, 05:53 PM
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Yeah no one would go for that.

Gardiner + Biggs/Kadri + 1st (if top 10) may do it.

Rielly + Biggs/Kadri + 1st (not top 10)
Yea

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As an Oilers fan, this is an easy no!

Unless you are talking about Kessel, Gardiner and Rielly.
For Yakupov, Hall and the 2013 first, right? Deal.

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Suppose the Leafs land at 5th overall.

I offer Gards + 5th for 1st overall, and that team likely won't accept, and I wouldn't offer anymore. Lots of talent in this draft.

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Separate scenario

Leafs get 1st overall pick cause they have one of the better chances to get it

That package for the 4th overall

Drouin- Mackinnon- Kessel

Miss playoffs- Connor mcdavid

Victory! Edmonton style!

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12-31-2012, 06:04 PM
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Suppose the Leafs land at 5th overall.

I offer Gards + 5th for 1st overall, and that team likely won't accept, and I wouldn't offer anymore. Lots of talent in this draft.
Waste.


Barkov/Lindholm/Drouin + Gardiner > MacKinnon.

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Suppose the Leafs land at 5th overall.

I offer Gards + 5th for 1st overall, and that team likely won't accept, and I wouldn't offer anymore. Lots of talent in this draft.
Dunno.

Things can obviously change, but is the consensus still that the top five, in some order, are MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov, and Monahan / Lindholm?

If the Flyers landed that pick, I'd think awful hard about that. You can still get a very good forward prospect at 5, and Gardiner is obviously ready to contribute now.

It probably wouldn't be as appealing to a team that needs a potential superstar / face-of-the-franchise type, but if a team that is ready to compete now somehow managed to land the top-pick, it might be an interesting idea.

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12-31-2012, 06:23 PM
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What I mean is I wouldn't trade all that away for a 2013 pick. I'd do that for the 2014 pick but not the 2013 pick.
McDavid is 2015....

And I doubt any team would pass up on him for that package.

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Suppose the Leafs land at 5th overall.

I offer Gards + 5th for 1st overall, and that team likely won't accept, and I wouldn't offer anymore. Lots of talent in this draft.
This year if the Oilers had the #1 deal I would probably want them to take this deal.

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I think it's best to wait see which team gets the 1st overall pick in 2013 and for me personally it would be hard giving up Gardiner because the Maple Leafs future Defense could look really good with him and Morgan Rielly.

Although another thing that could happen is Toronto getting the 1st overall pick in 2013 and then they don't need to trade for it.

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Gardiner + ~4th overall

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1st overall

I'd think about it.
This.

I don't see the Leafs getting the 1st overall without giving up another top 5 pick + an impact player (Gardiner or Reilly).

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Barkov, Drouin, and Lindholm all have a good chance to become 1st line centres as well. Be happy even if you end up drafting one of those.

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Suppose the Leafs land at 5th overall.

I offer Gards + 5th for 1st overall, and that team likely won't accept, and I wouldn't offer anymore. Lots of talent in this draft.
While it is highly unlikely the Oil end up with the number 1 pick (though never doubt the power of the Tambo tie), I would definitely pull the trigger on that deal. Gladly settle for whomever is still there at 5 between Drouin, Barkov or Monohan.

I think our D would be set after this. A little wet behind the ears and maybe lacking some grit, but all great skaters.

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12-31-2012, 07:40 PM
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While it is highly unlikely the Oil end up with the number 1 pick (though never doubt the power of the Tambo tie), I would definitely pull the trigger on that deal. Gladly settle for whomever is still there at 5 between Drouin, Barkov or Monohan.

I think our D would be set after this. A little wet behind the ears and maybe lacking some grit, but all great skaters.

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I think I`d still rather pass and take Seth Jones. He`s gonna be Pronger v 2.0. In terms of skill, hopefully not attitude.

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I think I`d still rather pass and take Seth Jones. He`s gonna be Pronger v 2.0. In terms of skill, hopefully not attitude.
Pulock + Gardiner would do more for a D corpse than Jones alone imo

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Just a thought here but, we all know Burke likes to weave his magic on draft day. One of his best trades happened on draft day, of course I'm reffering to how he was able to nab both of the Sedins. So, my though process is this...maybe Burke will want to nab the Mooseheads linemates this year?

Here goes... (if the year gets wiped out due to the lockout, the odds are that Edmonton will yet again land the 1st overall selection)


To 1st overall team (Edm?):
Joe Colborne
Tyler Biggs
Jake Gardiner
Korbinain Holzer
2nd in 2013

To Toronto:
1st overall selection (Nathan MacKinnon)


Than Toronto, with their own selection, odds are it will be around 4th, would select Jonathan Drouin.

Thoughts?

(My understanding is that the NHL would complie a list of the NHL's worst teams based on the last three seasons, and give them draft balls accordingly, of course I could be wrong)

From the Leafs POV I'd make this deal in a second, and I'm pretty high on Gardiner...but still much higher on Jones/Mackinnon.

From the Oilers (or whomever holds 1st pick) pov, I don't think Biggs, Holzer, Colborne, have enough upside to make up the difference of Jones/Mackinnon's value over Gardiners. I'd think that Rielly or a leaf's (high) 1st would have to be in play for a deal to be made.

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Pulock + Gardiner would do more for a D corpse than Jones alone imo
Okay homer. I don't think you realize just how good Seth Jones is gonna be. Chris Pronger like, and that is far superior to Gardiner and an inferior prospect.

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Okay homer. I don't think you realize just how good Seth Jones is gonna be. Chris Pronger like, and that is far superior to Gardiner and an inferior prospect.
Yea im a homer because Pulock is a leafs prospect.

Gardiner has top pairing potential, Pulock has top pairing potential.

Jones is a beast, but I'd take two top pairing potential guys over him


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