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12-31-2012, 11:33 PM
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pretty much everyone would be willing to gut their farm system for a player like Stanton but there's so much potential for a trade like that to go wrong

imagine how damaging it would be to that franchise if it turned out like another Cabrera trade
Loria wouldn't care. As long as he can spend as little as possible and pocket huge profits through revenue-sharing, he's a happy man.

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Marlins are actually such a joke, if he's traded the fans should protest
There wouldn't be any fans left to start a protest with. Heck, there might not be any even with Stanton. Loria has shown that he has not changed his colors and soured any chance at tabula rasa his team might have had with the move to Marlins Park. Of course, Loria doesn't care, because baseball is not gate-driven in the Majors, and he will simply use his revenue sharing money to cover costs and pocket any stadium traffic and TV money as pure profit.

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If Stanton is indeed traded I really feel for Logan Morrison.

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01-01-2013, 01:44 PM
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They won't trade Stanton.
Are you forgetting the Loria factor? Which is the only reason we even feel the need for a thread like this in the first place. Anything is possible with that nutjob.

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And put whom in center?
Ahhh, hello. Bonifacio.

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Are you forgetting the Loria factor? Which is the only reason we even feel the need for a thread like this in the first place. Anything is possible with that nutjob.
The need for the thread is for people being outraged over what he's done recently instead of what he did before the 2012 season. if he brought my team 2 World series titles he would be allowed to make a few mistakes.

It seems like he realizes he can't build a team that way and will go back to his more succesfull style that brought them championships.

That's why I find it hard to believe they will trade Stanton. He's at low cost for 2 more seasons and his value will still go up more next year since he's only 23.

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The need for the thread is for people being outraged over what he's done recently instead of what he did before the 2012 season. if he brought my team 2 World series titles he would be allowed to make a few mistakes.

It seems like he realizes he can't build a team that way and will go back to his more succesfull style that brought them championships.

That's why I find it hard to believe they will trade Stanton. He's at low cost for 2 more seasons and his value will still go up more next year since he's only 23.
Ok...first of all, Loria only got one championship with the Marlins, in 2003. And debatable how much credit he should get for that since he bought the team in 2002. The former GM of the previous ownership, from most people's opinions, gets a lot of the credit for that championship. Since then as his influence over the team has grown more and more the decision making at the top of the organization has become more and more questionable. He's seems only concerned about money, winning is secondary. So to Loria, money-great, winning-meh. And screw anybody else who thinks otherwise( he seems to take joy in that for some reason).

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01-02-2013, 08:35 AM
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They can take the entire Boston organization and all the Fenway bricks they want for Giancarlo.

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The need for the thread is for people being outraged over what he's done recently instead of what he did before the 2012 season. if he brought my team 2 World series titles he would be allowed to make a few mistakes.

It seems like he realizes he can't build a team that way and will go back to his more succesfull style that brought them championships.

That's why I find it hard to believe they will trade Stanton. He's at low cost for 2 more seasons and his value will still go up more next year since he's only 23.
I hate to break this to you, but he only brought them one, with a team he inherited from John W. Henry the year he bought the Red Sox. Since winning that Series in 2003, the Marlins are 707-750 under Loria's ownership. He committed $15 million to payroll in 2006. This guy is not trying to build a winning team, he's trying to make himself as much money as he can. You cannot win in baseball unless you are willing to commit some amount of money to payroll over a fair length of time. It would be different if they had flipped the prospects around or shipped out other assets and acquired some good veteran pieces to help them out, but they've sat on their hands... and their pile of money. Besides, Loria already has the reputation of driving a promising Montreal Expos franchise into the ground before parachuting into sunny Miami and turning the team over to the MLB front office. Anyone who takes Loria at face value when it comes to baseball is fooling no one but himself.

The 2013 Marlins team will be similar to previous editions of the team: they will miss the playoffs, nobody will show up, and Loria will make a metric butt-ton of money. That's all the Marlins are ever going to do with Loria pulling the major strings. No one at Major League Baseball seems eager to leverage him out of his position as owner of the Marlins, either knowing they can't or because they don't realize how toxic he is for the game.

I fully expect Stanton to get dealt for a bunch of prospects that will ultimately never see the Majors, same as most other players that come through Miami.

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01-02-2013, 05:12 PM
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Bottom line is this:

Marlins are not ACTIVELY trying to trade Stanton. They are simply "listening to offers" and if someone absolutely blows them away, then maybe a trade happens. Rosenthal tweeted today that the chances of him being dealt now are almost zero.

Again, the thing is Stanton has all but made it clear he will not sign an extention. Therefore at SOME POINT he will have to be traded. The question is how long do you wait, knowing that teams pretty much know he does not want to be here, thus putting Loria at a disadvantage when the time comes.

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01-02-2013, 05:28 PM
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Bottom line is this:

Marlins are not ACTIVELY trying to trade Stanton. They are simply "listening to offers" and if someone absolutely blows them away, then maybe a trade happens. Rosenthal tweeted today that the chances of him being dealt now are almost zero.

Again, the thing is Stanton has all but made it clear he will not sign an extention. Therefore at SOME POINT he will have to be traded. The question is how long do you wait, knowing that teams pretty much know he does not want to be here, thus putting Loria at a disadvantage when the time comes.
Yeah, but Rosenthal has a history of making things up.

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Yeah, but Rosenthal has a history of making things up.
Lmao he's like the most reliable insider in the business

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Stanton is a great young player and will do great but any gm that won't listen to offers is stupid. Mainly because there are some really really dumb gms who could potentially offer the world

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If they do trade him, I wonder if they can package their outfield HR thingy with him. They wouldn't need it anymore and could garner a bigger return.

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the year 1976 would be interested for sure.

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I can see the Tigers making a trade for their top 2-3 prospects+Boesch and Smyly for him. The Marlins have been the Tigers farm system for years and it seems DD is great at raiding their roster for talent for next to nothing.

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I can see the Tigers making a trade for their top 2-3 prospects+Boesch and Smyly for him. The Marlins have been the Tigers farm system for years and it seems DD is great at raiding their roster for talent for next to nothing.
Nope.


(Because a 3-4-5 of Cabrera-Fielder-Stanton just isn't fair)

He is allowed to come to the Jays to join his ex-Marlin friends, though.

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Why would the Marlins want Rasmus, who hasnt lived up to any hype, Gose, who hasnt shown he can even hit ML pitching, and Sanchez who walks almost 5 a game when they could have already had those players when they decided to drop their baggage onto the laps of the Jays already? None of whom are in the ball park of skill set as something the Flubs or Rangers could bring to the table?

The biggest chip the Jays had went for a 38 year old gimmick pitcher. Isnt gonna happen.
I love how jealous you are of the Jays.

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