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01-01-2013, 01:49 PM
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He has had a solid tournament in a position outside of comfortability. I said on here earlier that I truly believe a short tournament won't make or break a prospect, but still I have been quite happy with Scheifele's play and results.
It's great to see that he's improved his strength and filled out a bit, and that this has in turn improved his top-speed a lot and his acceleration, balance and stride a bit... But I want more. I'm sure he'll do it, but I really hope his acceleration and balance comes a lot further. His heart, vision, playmaking, IQ, hands, and now great wrister are quite awesome, as we've all known for a while.
Another weakness I have found is his faceoffs. Only RNH has been worse than Scheifele for Team Canada, and the Nuge is a well known poor FO centre. Hopefully that comes with strength and weight but this is against Scheifele's peers, so I'm cautious here.
GameFOWinFOLoseFO+/-FO%GASOGSH%+/-
1 1 2 -1 33.33% 2 0 6 33.33% 1
2 2 2 0 50.00% 1 1 2 50.00% 2
3 3 5 -2 37.50% 0 1 4 0.00% 1
4 3 4 -1 42.86% 1 0 3 33.33% 1
Tot 9 13 -4 40.91% 4 2 15 26.67% 5

Trouba:
Trouba has played strong enough to really ignite HFBoards jealousy (I saw one poster say that he seems the best of the 2012 draft class). He's shown what we've expected: great defensive player, boom of a shot that seems pretty accurate for it's power, and with great physicality. He does seem to still have a problem with decision making with the puck at times. Many scouting notes have noted this, and I still see it plaguing him where he holds on to the puck longer than he should (one really good example in the beginning of his game against Slovakia). Not afraid though, since I can Huddy easily fixing this with him.
GameGASOGSH%+/-
1 1 0 1 100.0% 1
2 1 0 4 25.00% 0
3 1 0 6 16.67% -1
4 1 0 4 25.00% 1
Tot 4 0 15 26.67% 1

I'll post about others some other time...
But I have been a huge fan of Gibson, Harrington and Oullete this tourney.

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Scheifele:
He has had a solid tournament in a position outside of comfortability. I said on here earlier that I truly believe a short tournament won't make or break a prospect, but still I have been quite happy with Scheifele's play and results.
It's great to see that he's improved his strength and filled out a bit, and that this has in turn improved his top-speed a lot and his acceleration, balance and stride a bit... But I want more. I'm sure he'll do it, but I really hope his acceleration and balance comes a lot further. His heart, vision, playmaking, IQ, hands, and now great wrister are quite awesome, as we've all known for a while.
Another weakness I have found is his faceoffs. Only RNH has been worse than Scheifele for Team Canada, and the Nuge is a well known poor FO centre. Hopefully that comes with strength and weight but this is against Scheifele's peers, so I'm cautious here.
GameFOWinFOLoseFO+/-FO%GASOGSH%+/-
1 1 2 -1 33.33% 2 0 6 33.33% 1
2 2 2 0 50.00% 1 1 2 50.00% 2
3 3 5 -2 37.50% 0 1 4 0.00% 1
4 3 4 -1 42.86% 1 0 3 33.33% 1
Tot 9 13 -4 40.91% 4 2 15 26.67% 5

Trouba:
Trouba has played strong enough to really ignite HFBoards jealousy (I saw one poster say that he seems the best of the 2012 draft class). He's shown what we've expected: great defensive player, boom of a shot that seems pretty accurate for it's power, and with great physicality. He does seem to still have a problem with decision making with the puck at times. Many scouting notes have noted this, and I still see it plaguing him where he holds on to the puck longer than he should (one really good example in the beginning of his game against Slovakia). Not afraid though, since I can Huddy easily fixing this with him.
GameGASOGSH%+/-
1 1 0 1 100.0% 1
2 1 0 4 25.00% 0
3 1 0 6 16.67% -1
4 1 0 4 25.00% 1
Tot 4 0 15 26.67% 1

I'll post about others some other time...
Yeah, for me, Troubas problems are simply a product of age and maturity, coupled with the fact that he can get away with that stuff at his current level. He will mature and learn to correct those problems. I am extremely excited we picked him.

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Trouba is by far the most impressive defenceman in the tournament so far. He does it all; hits, skates, passes, quarterbacks the pp, pk, everything. Fantastic pick for the Jets. He might be NHL ready sooner than later.

Nail Yakupov; what a dissapointment. If he laced them up in the bigs right now, he'd be face-planted in 2 seconds.

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To be fair, Scheif seems to win the important faceoffs. His FO win against the US led directly to RNH's goal.

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To be fair, Scheif seems to win the important faceoffs. His FO win against the US led directly to RNH's goal.
Aren't all faceoffs important?
Yes one led to a goal but maybe the 13 he lost would have also lead to a few goals?

But I understand what you're saying and sample size is too small to be really significant, but the results have aligned to what I've noticed in junior so far.


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basically what I'm saying is the goal should be to win them all and hopefully win most of them in the end
just like a goalie isn't suppose to stop the hard shots (or the easy shots) but to try and stop all the stops and hopefully stop most of them

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stop all the stops... vocab usage for the win


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I was surprised the Oil took Yakupov, and at the draft, they seemed 'sad' that they did. There weren't a lot of smiles from the Oil, just Yakupov. Much different feel from the previous 2 top picks, Hall and Nuge. They seemed estatic to have him. Yak, not the same. Odd.

Then Murray at #2 seemed 'sad' to go to CBJ, who can blame him, while CBJ management were estatic. I get Murray may have been disappointed, but he definitely had a 'deer in the headlights' look to him.

Only until the #3 pick with Gally did both player and management seem excited with the pick and situation.

It was just a weird few moments, that i hadn't seen before at the draft. Sorta like the Eric Lindros draft or when Milbury traded to get DiPeitro at #1. Something just seemed a little off or wrong, imo. Yak was head and shoulders ahead of others for #1 skill and ability, but i honestly don't think the Oil really wanted that player. But felt they had to take him cause he was clearly the best player.

Now watching this WJC, i wonder if the Oil is second guessing this move some more. Where do we play him? With whom? Will he fit the chemistry of our young team? Will he be an unselfish and good teammate?

Yak will score goals in the NHL, no doubt about that, but he is playing more and more like 'bad' Ovy as time goes on. That can't excite Oiler brass.

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Aren't all faceoffs important?
Yes but there are many variables. A FO in their zone on the PP is much more likely to lead to a goal, and those are the ones Scheif seems to win. He also won that faceoff clean, right back to his D. From what I remember seeing, he won a decent amount of these faceoffs clean. Our team was able to establish offensive zone control immediately. You're a stats guy, you know stats can be misleading. Statistically somebody has to "win" the faceoff, but there are good clean faceoff wins, greasy faceoff wins, and faceoffs where the team that gets to the puck first "wins" that faceoff, even though he's immediately covered by an opposing player and can't do anything with it. I've never paid much attention to FO% because of these reasons. Especially with a small sample size.

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Aren't all faceoffs important?
Yes one led to a goal but maybe the 13 he lost would have also lead to a few goals?

But I understand what you're saying and sample size is too small to be really significant, but the results have aligned to what I've noticed in junior so far.


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basically what I'm saying is the goal should be to win them all and hopefully win most of them in the end
just like a goalie isn't suppose to stop the hard shots (or the easy shots) but to try and stop all the stops and hopefully stop most of them
Earlier, he was taking dzone faceoffs (rather than RNH or Huber) for his line, which are more important, imo, than offensive zone faceoffs. He was also taking many offensive zone faceoff, depending on what side of the ice it was (as a RH shot).

Without knowing the f/o %'s, I was curious to see if Spott would put him out in dzone faceoff situations when it wasn't his line, as a f/o specialist. But he really hasn't done that and feels as confident (or more) with Strome, Jenner, MacNeil or Danault taking the f/o.

So, ya, Scheifele can work on his f/o's. Though, he does seem to win key draws in a game - usually by going down to one knee to win the draw back on his backhand. I wouldn't consider it a weakness, just something he can work more on. It will get better with more strength.

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When the Oilers won the draft lottery Tambellini was pretth clearly quite happy. Big grin on his face

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When the Oilers won the draft lottery Tambellini was pretth clearly quite happy. Big grin on his face
Sure. You just got the first pick, the big prize, nobody drafts before you. Three years in a row. Lots to be excited about.

Then comes the next couple of months about deciding what you are going to do with the pick. Initially, Yak would be the glitzy pick. But there was soooo much speculation about who they were going to pick - Yak, Reinhart (oil king connection), Murray, Gally (speculation they would try to get 2 top 3 picks - as Igor suggested).

I'm not sure what the Oil was really thinking. Up until a few days/hrs before the draft, i'm thinking the Murray family thought they were going to travel to Edmonton quite a bit to watch Ryan play (for the Oilers). You wonder what was said to them, if anything. I wonder when they decided on Yak, and whether it was unanimous.

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Yes but there are many variables. A FO in their zone on the PP is much more likely to lead to a goal, and those are the ones Scheif seems to win. He also won that faceoff clean, right back to his D. From what I remember seeing, he won a decent amount of these faceoffs clean. Our team was able to establish offensive zone control immediately. You're a stats guy, you know stats can be misleading. Statistically somebody has to "win" the faceoff, but there are good clean faceoff wins, greasy faceoff wins, and faceoffs where the team that gets to the puck first "wins" that faceoff, even though he's immediately covered by an opposing player and can't do anything with it. I've never paid much attention to FO% because of these reasons. Especially with a small sample size.
Totally agree... but what I've seen in juniors as well is Scheifele needs to improve on the dot. So, it's not just stats.


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Sure. You just got the first pick, the big prize, nobody drafts before you. Three years in a row. Lots to be excited about.

Then comes the next couple of months about deciding what you are going to do with the pick. Initially, Yak would be the glitzy pick. But there was soooo much speculation about who they were going to pick - Yak, Reinhart (oil king connection), Murray, Gally (speculation they would try to get 2 top 3 picks - as Igor suggested).

I'm not sure what the Oil was really thinking. Up until a few days/hrs before the draft, i'm thinking the Murray family thought they were going to travel to Edmonton quite a bit to watch Ryan play (for the Oilers). You wonder what was said to them, if anything. I wonder when they decided on Yak, and whether it was unanimous.
Plus add in the fact that let's say Edm likes Murray better but knows everyone wants Yakupov... Getting the first pick can mean some nice overpay for a trade... but that didn't happen...

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Well I managed to get up, looking forward to the game!
I am normally against the Czechs (Hated Jagr and Hasek plus I'm almost as much a Slovak fan as Canada ), but I really like this team (Hertl, Frk, Faksa, Hyka and Bartosak in particular) so I'd like to see them pull it out. Can't wait for this thing to just start already, sucked there was no games yesterday since I was up all night (well it was New Years )


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I wish the refs would have called those penalties when I was a goalie... They used to laugh at me if I asked for a penalty in those situations.

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Hell of a PK by Trouba...

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Hell of a PK by Trouba...
3 blocked shots and all around great positioning!

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Hell of a PK by Trouba...
Yea he is great on the PK

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Those neon green cheerleaders are really distracting...

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Hey, Trouba has an assist!

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Trouba seems to forcing the passes a bit so far today. Several passes have glanced off Czech sticks.

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Really impressed by Trouba so far.

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Trouba seems to forcing the passes a bit so far today. Several passes have glanced off Czech sticks.
He pretty much has to considering the suffocating defensive play of the Czechs.

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That type of puck control against a big strong guy like Trouba, that is part of the reason I like Faksa so much...

Not really a penalty though on Trouba.

This gam is boring due to the refs...

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