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12-09-2003, 11:15 AM
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How do rumours start?

I may sound silly with this thread but where do all these rumours begin...media? Sources?

Comrie as an example has been rumoured to Anaheim for a combination of Andy McDonald, Chistov, Lupul, Perry, Vishnevski, and a first or second rounder.

So if I am an NHL GM, say Bryan Murray, why would I say anything to anyone about what could be going the other way? We know Comrie is going so that is easy to figure out.

Like is Murray's barber listening to him in the chair saying, "You know Bryan, Comrie would be great, who you going to move?"

"I am hoping to go McDonald, Perry, but Lowe is countering with Lupul, Perry and I am not sold on that."

The the barber tells then next guy and the rumour spreads.....

Or does a media guy call someone in the organization and say..."OK VP of player personnell, I know you guys want Comrie, who is it? Lupul? No, Chistov? No, Perry...Hey...you didn't say no...it must be Perry....

How do all these rumours start?

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Or does a media guy call someone in the organization and say..."OK VP of player personnell, I know you guys want Comrie, who is it? Lupul? No, Chistov? No, Perry...Hey...you didn't say no...it must be Perry....
That's the way these things leak for the most part.

And that's certainly what happens when a GM or an agent wants their side of the story leaked to the media.

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12-09-2003, 11:37 AM
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first you get a few paragraphs of speculation from a local paper,then a site like TSN.ca or spectors picks up the speculation.Next out of town papers and fans get the rumor.

Newsday reports on 12/08/09
The Lightning was without its top blue-liner Dan Boyle in last night's game against the Rangers at the Garden. Boyle suffered a concussion in Saturday's win in Buffalo. The defenseman's absence could motivate Feaster to push Milbury to make a deal sooner rather than later. Milbury and Feaster had agreed to stay in touch regarding the potential availability of Hamrlik, who makes $3.6 million this season and is a restricted free agent with arbitration rights this summer. Hamrlik, 29, a consistent 40-point producer and power-play specialist, could get as much as $4.5 million via arbitration.
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then TSN.ca lifts Newsday's speculation.12/8/2003
UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CP) - Roman Hamrlik's days with the Islanders are reportedly numbered. Hamrlik is being paid $3.6 million US and will become a restricted free agent with arbitration rights next July 1, meaning he could be pulling down as much as $4.5 million next year. The Islanders won't be interested in retaining the defenceman's services at that price.

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TheFourthPeriod.com
Various publications also suggest the Lightning are also eyeing defensemen Roman Hamrlik and Kenny Jonsson of the New York Islanders.

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I'd be willing to wager, these rumours happen something like this:

Editor (Joe): "Got a story for the paper yet Jim?"
Writer (Jim): "No Joe, I don't, but I hear Edmonton is trying to trade Comrie."
Joe: "Good then, have the article in my office in 1/2 an hour."
Jim: "No problem Joe."
Jim calls Lowe and gets a few useless quotes from him (ie: "Yes we've talked to Anaheim, along with a few other clubs").
Jim calls Murray and gets a few more useless quotes from him (ie: "Yes we've talked to Edmonton about Comrie; we are always looking to improve our team").

From there, Jim concludes that the centre-piece of the deal is going to be Comrie (well duh!) and Chistov (his left butt-cheek is his sources here).

Jim spends 15 minutes typing up the article, and goes to Joe's office.
Jim: "Here you go Joe. Right on time."
Joe reads the article.
Joe: "Excellent stuff Jim. This will make the front page of the sports section."
Jim: "Splendid!"

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And that is how a rumour starts .

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What people always fail to realise is that just because a rumour does not come to fruition, does not mean that talks did not take place.

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I'd be willing to wager, these rumours happen something like this:

Editor (Joe): "Got a story for the paper yet Jim?"
Writer (Jim): "No Joe, I don't, but I hear Edmonton is trying to trade Comrie."
Joe: "Good then, have the article in my office in 1/2 an hour."
Jim: "No problem Joe."
Jim calls Lowe and gets a few useless quotes from him (ie: "Yes we've talked to Anaheim, along with a few other clubs").
Jim calls Murray and gets a few more useless quotes from him (ie: "Yes we've talked to Edmonton about Comrie; we are always looking to improve our team").

From there, Jim concludes that the centre-piece of the deal is going to be Comrie (well duh!) and Chistov (his left butt-cheek is his sources here).

Jim spends 15 minutes typing up the article, and goes to Joe's office.
Jim: "Here you go Joe. Right on time."
Joe reads the article.
Joe: "Excellent stuff Jim. This will make the front page of the sports section."
Jim: "Splendid!"

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And that is how a rumour starts .
Great post.. might Brownlee have been your inspiration for the Jim character?

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Great post.. might Brownlee have been your inspiration for the Jim character?
Brownlee, Garrioch ... pick your weapon really. I think it happens all the time, these guys are just make a living off it alone.

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As a sports writer, I can confirm that we tack the faces of several NHLers on a big cork-board, and throw darts at them blindfolded. It's quick, efficient, and saves us having to talk with Milbury.

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As a sports writer, I can confirm that we tack the faces of several NHLers on a big cork-board, and throw darts at them blindfolded. It's quick, efficient, and saves us having to talk with Milbury.
Agreed. I feel sorry for anyone that has to communicate with him..

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How do all these rumours start?

Like this:

Pittsburgh will send Ben Eaves and Colby Armstrong to the Oilers for Mike Comrie. Ben Eaves's brother Patrick's roomate's sister-in law's uncle told me the other night after we drank three cases of beer that the deal is imminent.

























Just kidding... this is a PROPOSAL

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first you get a few paragraphs of speculation from a local paper,then a site like TSN.ca or spectors picks up the speculation.Next out of town papers and fans get the rumor.
That, and by the time it gets to the rumor sites, the speculation is being reported as fact.

It's kinda like that game Telephone that you played in kindergarten, where someone whispers something in the next person's ear, and by the time you get to the end it's completely different from what you started with.

I'm sure a lot of this stuff also gets planted by the organizations themselves.

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I may sound silly with this thread but where do all these rumours begin...media? Sources?

Comrie as an example has been rumoured to Anaheim for a combination of Andy McDonald, Chistov, Lupul, Perry, Vishnevski, and a first or second rounder.

So if I am an NHL GM, say Bryan Murray, why would I say anything to anyone about what could be going the other way? We know Comrie is going so that is easy to figure out.

Like is Murray's barber listening to him in the chair saying, "You know Bryan, Comrie would be great, who you going to move?"

"I am hoping to go McDonald, Perry, but Lowe is countering with Lupul, Perry and I am not sold on that."

The the barber tells then next guy and the rumour spreads.....

Or does a media guy call someone in the organization and say..."OK VP of player personnell, I know you guys want Comrie, who is it? Lupul? No, Chistov? No, Perry...Hey...you didn't say no...it must be Perry....

How do all these rumours start?
Conjecture, innuendo, and a loose lipped staffer working in the front end of the organization . Along the way, people inevitably ruminate and add to the "myth" with their own proposals. We all read far too much into things, but hey that's the nature of a fan.

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Everyone wants to break that next story, or report that newest slice of news. If a media outlet can get the upper edge on their competition, they'll ask Mr. Whatever, one of their more respected writers, to get on the phone, place a call or two, and voila.

Most of these journalists or beat writers spend their entire day in and out of conversation with hockey people, and everyone loves to speculate. Your typical journalist may wake up, come up with the basis for a story, head onto down to the rink for an hour or two to catch up on what's happening, followed by, as I said, a phone call or three. Talk about the ultimate job .

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Out of boredom

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Someone mentioned on another thread that rumors are usually started by agents. So an agent hears firsthand about trade ideas and he passes this information around to his buds and/or the media.

I'm speculating, but basically agents, media, and nhl officials actually have a social life, believe it or not. Sometimes the innocent farts in the wind reach websites or media gurus. Thats my guess.

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Garrioach, gallagher, strachan and larry Brooks have a secret island with a treehouse where they get together every weekend for a sleep over, tell each other how yucky girls are and then play NHL Hockey on their PS2 and if the trades go through, then they report them in the media soon after.
The newspapers are overpaying them if they can afford a PS2.

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Things can leak out of the organization through employees. There are a number of employees who know what's going on. Some are very guility of opening expressing what's going on (not that it matters).

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I admit it.

It is I who start all rumors.

Sometimes I phone Larry Brooks. Sometimes I phone Bruce Garrioch. But Don Cherry never takes my calls.

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Things can leak out of the organization through employees. There are a number of employees who know what's going on. Some are very guility of opening expressing what's going on (not that it matters).
Quite true. It can even be a beancounter.

Consider a hypothetical example: Muckler is mulling over a Bonk for Nedved swap. Please don't read anything into this, it's just an arbitrary example.

Anyway, the Sens have better ownership this season. But they still watch the bottom line closely. So Muckler will say something like "Pull the file for Petr Nedved" and some staffee goes to the computer and extracts a copy of Nedved's contract on file with NHL HQ.

The purpose of doing that is multifold:

1) A beancounter will overlay Nedved's payment schedule on the team's current spreadsheet for the life of Nedved's contract to see what impact it will have both near-term and in the out-years.

2) Someone from legal will look for any special clauses in the contract to see if there is anything the Sens would have to watch out for, especially so given that they're located in another country.

Depending upon the organization, there may be other "departments" that would need to give a "once over" to Nedved's contract before they all sign off with approval.

Why get staffees involved before initiating a trade?

Because the last thing Muckler wants to do is get on the horn with Slats before knowing whether or not there is a show-stopper contained in Petr's contract. You don't pick up the phone on Thursday and ask "Glen, I'm proposing something along the lines of Radek for Petr - are you interested" . . . if on Friday Bulbous Beak has to call Sather again and say "Ooops! Scratch my proposal, Glen. My legal team found something in Petr's contract that we don't even want to touch." That's a major no-no.

So the front office staff typically "does their homework" on a guy administratively while the talent side of the team formulates candidates to trade for.

Any of these admin folks or the clerks/secretaries who might notice a file labelled "Nedved" on someone's desk in the Sen front office are ripe for rumor-mongering.

To be sure, G/Ms begin ruminating with each other spontaneously. particularly when they have offsite meetings, such as the one earlier this week. But even then, John would make a phone call to his office and indicate that he had something brewing with the Rangers, would the crew please do the standard review of Petr Nedved's contract.

How does the comeplte trade get fathomed?

Usually it's not difficult to speculate or deduce the main components. But even if it is, you can have situations like this:

Say Sather and Lowe are scheming an Anson Carter for Radek Dvorak trade, as they did last March. There are more components involved. How do those names get revealed so quickly?

When Slats came to New York, he doubtless brought with him one or more trusted staffees... folks who still have friendships with counterparts in the Edmonton front office.

So Stu (a staffee in Penn Plaza) phones someone he knows in his old office back in Alberta: "Gretchen, I was just told to pull Anson Carter's contract from central. Whose files are you pulling? What's that? Dvorak and Cross? Anybody else?"

Pretty soon it's fleshed out.

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How do rumors get started?

Thats easy, theyre started by the jealous people.

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