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01-02-2013, 09:12 AM
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Yakupov is a total mess right now.

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01-02-2013, 09:14 AM
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Yakupov and Grigorenko have been flat all tournament

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01-02-2013, 09:15 AM
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I don't agree on Grigorenko. He's been solid.

God damn it they tied it.

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01-02-2013, 09:20 AM
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Grigo was solid but couldn't convert. Today he was extremely dangerous.

For Andrighetto, he just signed a 3-year deal with a team in Switzerland, Geneve-Servette. Doesn't refrain a team to sign him but might indicate his intention so teams would be less interested.

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01-02-2013, 09:37 AM
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Is it just me or Yakupov looks like an incredible skater but just can't stickhandle or pass? Reminds me so much of Ovechkin. Plus, he skates with his head down. I expect a career of concussions.

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01-02-2013, 09:43 AM
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Is it just me or Yakupov looks like an incredible skater but just can't stickhandle or pass? Reminds me so much of Ovechkin. Plus, he skates with his head down. I expect a career of concussions.
Wouldn't Gomez be a better comparison?

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01-02-2013, 09:51 AM
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Swiss haven't lost one game in regulation, pretty awesome to see a past regulation team rise up to being a competitive country.

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01-02-2013, 09:57 AM
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The biggest problem with Yakupov is they keep sending him to center ice looking for the long bomb then once he has the puck he is 1 on 2 or 3. Dumb coaching.

Grigorenko is a Yashin clone, body like Tarzan but plays like Jane. In the NHl when the going gets tough he'll disapear.

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Swiss haven't lost one game in regulation, pretty awesome to see a past regulation team rise up to being a competitive country.
Do they even have one player that will be a 1st round choice? Incredibly balanced and well utilised team.

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Do they even have one player that will be a 1st round choice? Incredibly balanced and well utilised team.
I'd love to see Muller be a 1st round pick.

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01-02-2013, 11:14 AM
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Is it just me or Yakupov looks like an incredible skater but just can't stickhandle or pass? Reminds me so much of Ovechkin. Plus, he skates with his head down. I expect a career of concussions.
Yup, Yakupov right now is reminding me far too much of a smaller Ovechkin, and that's not a good thing. He's better than he's showing now but he if wants a long career he needs to play smarter.

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01-02-2013, 11:39 AM
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what a goal top shelf from the swiss. Man their program has really improved over the last couple of years. wow
Can you believe that kid went undrafted, if he was playing in the OHL, I GUARANTEE you he would've been drafted. But he plays in Rouyn, so forget that

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He's still available to be drafted.

And another Yakupov rush dies. What a horrible tournament by him.
Still don't get why they don't unite Yak-Grigo-Kucherov....

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I'd love to see Muller be a 1st round pick.
Liked him today. He was on the ice on the most crucial moments, as a 17 year old. Impressive.

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The biggest problem with Yakupov is they keep sending him to center ice looking for the long bomb then once he has the puck he is 1 on 2 or 3. Dumb coaching.

Grigorenko is a Yashin clone, body like Tarzan but plays like Jane. In the NHl when the going gets tough he'll disapear.
Or...like Yashin, he'll average 76pts/season over his NHL career.

Say what you will about Yashin, but he put up points.

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01-02-2013, 12:08 PM
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Or...like Yashin, he'll average 76pts/season over his NHL career.

Say what you will about Yashin, but he put up points.
I'd rather have a player you win with than one that just "puts up points".

I see him as a 55-60 point max NHLer or KHLer but similar style and personality to Yashin.

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I'd rather have a player you win with than one that just "puts up points".
FYI that isn't a dichotomy.

They're separate things. You can have good players on good teams and good players on bad teams. You can have bad players on good teams and bad players on bad teams.

Having a good player merely means you're a more likely to be a good team.

We should really hope Grigorenko doesn't become a Yashin clone. That would make Buffalo a much harder team to play against.

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I'd rather have a player you win with than one that just "puts up points".

LMAO you are the same guy who 5 mins ago denied that Galchenyuk was not great at the WJC just because he had points!!!


Yashin played for terrible terrible teams.

Look at sakic first 7 years, he was not a player you win with I guess??? Same for Yzerman??

Give me Yashin on my team any day of the week. You need to score goals to win, you can't only have a bunch of grinders.

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01-02-2013, 12:40 PM
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LMAO you are the same guy who 5 mins ago denied that Galchenyuk was not great at the WJC just because he had points!!!


Yashin played for terrible terrible teams.

Look at sakic first 7 years, he was not a player you win with I guess??? Same for Yzerman??

Give me Yashin on my team any day of the week. You need to score goals to win, you can't only have a bunch of grinders.
I think you're confused.

How do you go from Yashin to Sakic and Yzerman...comparing apples to oranges.

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I think you're confused.

How do you go from Yashin to Sakic and Yzerman...comparing apples to oranges.
Saying that Yashin isn't good enough 'cause he's not a winner is directly associating Saku Koivu with the same type of comment. There is so much 1 guy can do. You are talking like that 'cause you are remembering the last days of Yashin in the NHL....but before that he was a very good player. You need a whole lot of things in a team, and a guy who succesfully put up points on the board in the NHL....you do need them at some point. If Gally ends up not being too physical and yet put 60-70 points on the board every year...that's a hell of a 12th pick. And would have been enough for a 5th-8th pick as well. This is the 2012 draft we're talking about here....not the 2013.

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01-02-2013, 12:48 PM
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Saying that Yashin isn't good enough 'cause he's not a winner is directly associating Saku Koivu with the same type of comment. There is so much 1 guy can do. You are talking like that 'cause you are remembering the last days of Yashin in the NHL....but before that he was a very good player. You need a whole lot of things in a team, and a guy who succesfully put up points on the board in the NHL....you do need them at some point. If Gally ends up not being too physical and yet put 60-70 points on the board every year...that's a hell of a 12th pick. And would have been enough for a 5th-8th pick as well. This is the 2012 draft we're talking about here....not the 2013.
The point I'm making is that Yashin was an all-star talent but a very selfish player on a team. He cared a lot about his points and contract but not nearly enough about winning. Not a guy that would pay the price to win.

I don't see Grigorenko having that skill level but a similar mental makeup. He is a guy in junior that will put up 5 points against a weak team but barely show up against a top team.

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The point I'm making is that Yashin was an all-star talent but a very selfish player on a team. He cared a lot about his points and contract but not nearly enough about winning. Not a guy that would pay the price to win.

I don't see Grigorenko having that skill level but a similar mental makeup. He is a guy in junior that will put up 5 points against a weak team but barely show up against a top team.
For having seen him play quite a few times this year, I'd say that it's not the case this year. He do show up against top teams.

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Saying that Yashin isn't good enough 'cause he's not a winner is directly associating Saku Koivu with the same type of comment. There is so much 1 guy can do. You are talking like that 'cause you are remembering the last days of Yashin in the NHL....but before that he was a very good player. You need a whole lot of things in a team, and a guy who succesfully put up points on the board in the NHL....you do need them at some point. If Gally ends up not being too physical and yet put 60-70 points on the board every year...that's a hell of a 12th pick. And would have been enough for a 5th-8th pick as well. This is the 2012 draft we're talking about here....not the 2013.
Koivu was his best in big games and was the ultimate team player, comparing Yashin to him is way out of the ballpark, not even left field.

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Koivu was his best in big games and was the ultimate team player, comparing Yashin to him is way out of the ballpark, not even left field.
And what did we win with Koivu? And I have no idea how we can know who was a team player and who wasn't. Unless we are players ourselves and know from the inside that they were or weren't. There were a lot of reports from ex-players that Koivu wasn't the guy who tried continuously to get the guys together. He needed a lot of help from his assistants on that department. Or so we hear. What Koivu had on Yashin was indeed better record in the playoffs. And a type of player that was continuously working his butt off. While Yashin could sometimes be more quiet though we are absolutley not talkinga bout the same type of player.

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And what did we win with Koivu? And I have no idea how we can know who was a team player and who wasn't. Unless we are players ourselves and know from the inside that they were or weren't. There were a lot of reports from ex-players that Koivu wasn't the guy who tried continuously to get the guys together. He needed a lot of help from his assistants on that department. Or so we hear. What Koivu had on Yashin was indeed better record in the playoffs. And a type of player that was continuously working his butt off. While Yashin could sometimes be more quiet though we are absolutley not talkinga bout the same type of player.
Not sure where you get your information from. Koivu was known by his teammates(and I believe a THN poll had him as one of the best in the NHL) as a great leader and very well respected while Yashin was always preceived a guy who played for himself and not the team.

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