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12-31-2012, 10:08 PM
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Elliott has been fine and he will be fine when he gets to the NHL. He hasn't been as good as Barrie but he has been playing fine.
What part of his game is "fine"? His offense is inconsistent and he has no shred of NHL defensive ability.

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12-31-2012, 10:28 PM
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Barrie is not better than Elliott until he proves it at the NHL level.

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12-31-2012, 10:47 PM
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Barrie is not better than Elliott until he proves it at the NHL level.
Barrie played better overall last year in the brief NHL stint. Elliot showed flashes of brilliance and has a higher upside for sure, but imo they are completely different players. Sure they're both offensive d-man, but that's where it ends. Barrie is more NHL ready and is more of a PMD, a la Shatty or Liles. I'm not going to get into specifics of what he'll become, but that's the type of game he plays. Imo, I think Barrie has a better chance to making the NHL than Elliot.

Elliot seems to rush the puck a lot more and has an amazing wrister, but he has more things to work on before he's NHL ready. Elliot in a sense is more of a project, I don't see him as a 1st pairing defenseman either, but I can see him as a solid #3/4 offensive D-man.

I'm not writing either of them off, I actually see both of them making the show. However, I highly doubt they'll both stick with the Avs long term, as I see them both slotting in the #3/4 roll. Hopefully we give them a few more years and see which one is clearly better than the other, i'd hate to trade either one of them right now.

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12-31-2012, 10:50 PM
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What part of his game is "fine"? His offense is inconsistent and he has no shred of NHL defensive ability.
The guy has been better than most expected defensively this year. He is never going to be good defensively but for a 21 year old offensive defenseman his defense has been "fine" and it will only improve. Offensively it's not a coincidence that once he gets paired with Pock instead of Sullivan and Stollery that his point total starts to go up. He can focus on his offensive abilities now instead of worrying about covering his partner like he had to do with Sullivan and Stollery. He can be the offensive one in the pairing now instead of being the defensive one.

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I thought Barrie played as well as Elliott did in the NHL last year. Small sample though.

Barrie has been better than Elliott in the AHL over what is a pretty significant sample now. Barrie was picked to the Canada WJC team over Elliott. I don't know why it's a stretch to think he's the better player at the moment.

Both of them still have work to do. They can get a little bit passive in the defensive zone. They need to be more of shooting threats on the PP. Settling the puck down and looking for wrist shots all the time won't be enough at the NHL level, no matter how good of a wrister you have.

On the positive side Elliott plays with confidence even though he hasn't been getting the bounces. He takes a lot of shots, he jumps in the play and he rushes the puck. That's a really good sign. I still have high hopes for him. Barrie on the other hand looks NHL ready. I think he's better than several of the one-way deal players in front of him. I wouldn't be shocked if he got a chance and pulls a Shattenkirk.

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To trade either Stef or Tyson before they show what they can do in the NHL would be monumentaly stupid.

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If their potential is fulfilled I see us having the next Dan Boyle and Mike Green in Barrie and Elliott.

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If their potential is fulfilled I see us having the next Dan Boyle and Mike Green in Barrie and Elliott.


Oy. Elliott is currently tied for 95th in AHL defenseman scoring.

I think it's pretty hard (for me anyway) to really ascertain where each guy is based upon only periodically seeing them play in Erie this season, and never in person. Barrie's point totals are certainly good right now, but IMO they're both still unknowns, especially given how they played in the NHL last year. Elliott more so than Barrie, as I share the opinion that Barrie was (somewhat) better in his short NHL stint, and it seems pretty clear that he was better offensively over the first quarter of the AHL season.

Points aside, I hope they both learn to play defense. Something young defensemen in the Avs' system have had a tendency to not be able to accomplish.

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Mitchell Heard as been assigned to Plymouth (OHL) today.

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Mitchell Heard as been assigned to Plymouth (OHL) today.

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I like this move. I'd rather have him playing top line minutes in Plymouth than 4th line minutes in Cleveland.

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I like this move. I'd rather have him playing top line minutes in Plymouth than 4th line minutes in Cleveland.
Yeah, I doesn't seem that he was contributing alot anyway. Hopefully LEM finds a productive replacement.

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Yeah, I doesn't seem that he was contributing alot anyway. Hopefully LEM finds a productive replacement.

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That's the best thing for Heard, he'll play top 6 minutes in OHL as opposed to getting little playing time in the AHL, he needs all the ice time he can get at this stage of his development.

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That's the best thing for Heard, he'll play top 6 minutes in OHL as opposed to getting little playing time in the AHL, he needs all the ice time he can get at this stage of his development.
I might be crazy to think this but I still think we blew that pick.

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I might be crazy to think this but I still think we blew that pick.
You're not crazy.

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I might be crazy to think this but I still think we blew that pick.
There were definitely some better players available, Martin Frk comes to mind.

The Avs made up for it by drafting Bourke though, mark my words, he'll be a player.

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Time will tell. I think there's a pretty good chance he ends up as a good bottom 6 center for our team and that would be fine by me.

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Time will tell. I think there's a pretty good chance he ends up as a good bottom 6 center for our team and that would be fine by me.
This.

While I'm not overjoyed at the pick the Avs used on Heard, Pracey obviously saw something in him and I think the fight he has in him will make for a fine 4th line center at the NHL level. The question to me is whether or not going back to the OHL and a year or two in the AHL can bring out enough offense to make him a 3rd line center or if he'll be another Hendricks for us.

Either way, I expect to see him as our 4th line center one day.

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There were definitely some better players available, Martin Frk comes to mind.

The Avs made up for it by drafting Bourke though, mark my words, he'll be a player.
Frk certainly has a better skill set, but he just doesn't fit the profile of this team going forward. And his floating isn't something I look for in a player.

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Am I the only one who wonders if this was the right decision for him? I mean according to most scouting reports, Heard isn't someone that was penciled in for a Top-6 role if he were to make it to the NHL, unless I'm missing something?

And just by looking at his recent tweets, I'm wondering how he's handling it? Hopefully he will take it as motivation and work on what his perceived areas of opportunity are. But I've noticed that he's said something along the lines of "Everything happens for a reason" which while true, I'm wondering if he's just saying that but may be devastated

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I've had mixed feelings about Heard from day 1. Unfortunately the Avs, for the lack of better comparison, Knowshon Morenoed / Tim Tebowed (Broncos) it with Heard. The Avs did the kid a dis-service by picking him too high and thus setting the expectations too high.

Heard is never going to be a top-6 player, he doesn't have the game for it. But since the Avs picked him in the 2nd rd. the general expectation by fans is he has the skills to be a key contributor/scorer.

If Heard was a 4th or 5th rd pick it would be fine because that's where you expect 3rd or 4th liners to come from. But since the Avs picked him too high the expectations are too high and the pressure on the kid is too high.

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NHL drafts don't work like that. Sometimes a very good bottom 6 player is more valuable than an average top 6 player.

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NHL drafts don't work like that. Sometimes a very good bottom 6 player is more valuable than an average top 6 player.
yep. How many fans were up in arms about O'Reilly when he went at the beginning of the second round and had not produced over a point per game in the O?

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I think some of you guys are arguing more on the position he was picked than his actually skill set. What I propose is imaginally switch up Heard with Bourke and then you will be satisfied considering Bourke in the 3rd round is looking like a steal for us.

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I didn't pay much attention to Prince George and Bourke's totals aren't impressive, so can you please expand on your toughts about him being a steal S E P H?

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