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QF • Jan. 2 • Russia 4, Switzerland 3 (SO) • Part II

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01-02-2013, 10:06 AM
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He is trying too hard to be the man and not the team player. He want's to live up to his superstar billing.

At the moment he is anonymous and likely to remain so. Having a coach like Varnakov doesn't help either.

Oilers fans need not worry when he turns up to camp this summer as he'll have a proper coaching staff to knock him into shape.
He's going to be a great player. He's got all the skill in the world. Sometimes playing with lesser players is difficult for these kind of guys. Put him with Nugent-Hopkins and Hall and look out.

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Slepyshev was good today too, good speed and one one one skills. Typical Russian forward.

Russia didn't play like a team at all today, Sweden haven't been that great either but I still take them as favorites.
They've been like this all tournament. Hard to see how 24 hours will change anything, but Slepyshev had his moments today.

Makarov in net tomorrow ?

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This. Except its not just Russians. Americans, Swedes etc. all treat Canada the same.
You guys always manage to make everything about Canada

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Would much rather have faced the Swiss. They would have been completely out of steam and Sweden wouldn't allow them to bring down the pace like they did the first game. The Russians are in the tournament for real now. This is exactly the squeak by win they needed to get comfortable and take the pressure off being the home team. It's going to be real close, whoever wins.
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wow didn't expect the swiss to do this well they were seconds away from winning!! congrats.

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This. Except its not just Russians. Americans, Swedes etc. all treat Canada the same.
I find in order of hate it has been

1. Russians


2. Finns

3. Swedes
4. Americans

3 and 4 are pretty close and can switch depending n the day

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What happened to Russian hockey? They go from the ultimate team play and five man units in the 70's and 80's to this individual garbage... its at every level.

I hope we don't see this kind of team work next year at the OLY.

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It's hard to believe that we're talking about the same Yakupov who had 10 goals in like 12 games in KHL. Ever since SSS he's been in a slump, or this slump can become his new standard.

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What happened to Russian hockey? They go from the ultimate team play and five man units in the 70's and 80's to this individual garbage... its at every level.

I hope we don't see this kind of team work next year at the OLY.
Capitalism.

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They've been like this all tournament. Hard to see how 24 hours will change anything, but Slepyshev had his moments today.

Makarov in net tomorrow ?
Yes but they were bad in the QF last year and did not impress at all in their group. And it's not like the Swedes have been that impressive thus far.

I'd go with Vasilevski.

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What happened to Russian hockey? They go from the ultimate team play and five man units in the 70's and 80's to this individual garbage... its at every level.

I hope we don't see this kind of team work next year at the OLY.
Precisely my thoughts.

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It's hard to believe that we're talking about the same Yakupov who had 10 goals in like 12 games in KHL. Ever since SSS he's been in a slump, or this slump can become his new standard.
Let's hope he will be like Kovalchuk circa WHC 2008 for us

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Capitalism.
Lol ironic almost losing to the uber capitalist Swiss.

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I feel so sorry for the Swiss kids.. Not having much luck in this tournament.. un-clutch if you will...

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Yes but they were bad in the QF last year and did not impress at all in their group. And it's not like the Swedes have been that impressive thus far.

I'd go with Vasilevski.
True but I'm not feeling overly confident. Guess Varnakov will toss a coin and choose.

I think that's how he coaches for every eventuality.

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What happened to Russian hockey? They go from the ultimate team play and five man units in the 70's and 80's to this individual garbage... its at every level.

I hope we don't see this kind of team work next year at the OLY.
It's not Russia hockey. It's just coaching.

Look at the latest iteration of the Rus National team, they are so UN-individualistic that it can be sickening.

The explanation behind this jr team is very simple. Varnakov focused WAY too much on defensive roles and did NOT tune the Offensive game. The players were told that "we can ALWAYS create something in the offensive zone, but we need to focus on defense" Therefore he basically said that it's up to the forwards to play however they want offensively, hence forcing individualism.

Contrary from Bragin who preached offensive systems to be exact and precise (not holding players on Blue line and overlaps and so on..)

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Yes but they were bad in the QF last year and did not impress at all in their group. And it's not like the Swedes have been that impressive thus far.

I'd go with Vasilevski.
To be fair.. only Canada impressed some what in this tournament and they havnt really been that good either. Based on the group stage alone atleast.

It's wide open tomorrow.

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Sounds like it was a real exciting game. Congrats to Swiss for an incredible tourney! Play like this and you might become a fixture in the medal rounds in the future. Slovakia, Czech and Finland aren't very good right now, each for their own reasons.

As an observation, it is really unfortunate that the winner of this has to play immediately tomorrow with tired legs. Especially after an OT plus shoot-out game. One would think that the quarterfinal bye is already a big enough advantage as it is for the group winners, without this additional handicap on the quarterfinal winner.

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yes, there's no team play for Russia on every level now. Before it was achieved by practicing together for very long time, suppressing individualizm sometimes for the sake of the team. Today there's not enough practice time and since there's no system, where each player knows what to do (usually individual skills win games for Russian juniors), getting team chemistry takes a long time.

whilst in Canada you can take a player from any league put him in his position and he will do the thing he had been taught to do, the only limiting factor being his skill.

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It's not Russia hockey. It's just coaching.

Look at the latest iteration of the Rus National team, they are so UN-individualistic that it can be sickening.

The explanation behind this jr team is very simple. Varnakov focused WAY too much on defensive roles and did NOT tune the Offensive game. The players were told that "we can ALWAYS create something in the offensive zone, but we need to focus on defense" Therefore he basically said that it's up to the forwards to play however they want offensively, hence forcing individualism.

Contrary from Bragin who preached offensive systems to be exact and precise (not holding players on Blue line and overlaps and so on..)
Bragin is a good man. Miss him very much.

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Let's hope he will be like Kovalchuk circa WHC 2008 for us
yes, good point, let's hope so

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What happened to Russian hockey? They go from the ultimate team play and five man units in the 70's and 80's to this individual garbage... its at every level.

I hope we don't see this kind of team work next year at the OLY.
I guess u haven't seen Bilyaletdinovs team then...

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Yakupov is brainless. The Oilers have their very own Max Afinogenov.

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I just got up can't believe they couldn't get the job done team has alot of heart, but man do they always have to choke?

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yes, there's no team play for Russia on every level now. Before it was achieved by practicing together for very long time, suppressing individualizm sometimes for the sake of the team. Today there's not practice and since there's no system, where each player knows what to do, getting team chemistry takes a long time.

whilst in Canada you can take a player from any league put him in his position and he will do the thing he had been taught to do, the only limiting factor being his skill.
Come on, you know that's not true for Bilyaletdinov's team.

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