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01-02-2013, 12:36 PM
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very good, but not great. He is a solid top 4 dman with top pairing potential.

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01-02-2013, 12:52 PM
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There really is no debate. Carlson is heads and shoulders above DZ and should continue to be in the future. He was scary good his rookie year as a shutdown defender. Took a step back, but was still matching up against top lines night in night out. Once DZ gains Tortorella's trust in that role, we can start comparing the two.


Members of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association disagree with you. MDZ 12th best D man last year, Carlson not even top 20.

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01-02-2013, 12:56 PM
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Carlson was matching up against top lines because there is no other option. His competition on RD was Dennis Wideman and Mike Green. Del Zotto's competition is McDonagh and Staal.
Not like they're scrubs.

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Members of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association disagree with you. MDZ 12th best D man last year, Carlson not even top 20.
Dan Giradi had 2 first place votes.

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Not like they're scrubs.
Defensively, they are absolutely scrubs. Definitely not comparable to Staal and McDonagh as shut-down defensemen.

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01-02-2013, 01:01 PM
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"Michael Del Zotto is the 12th best Defense in the National Hockey league"

- That picture.

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01-02-2013, 01:03 PM
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Defensively, they are absolutely scrubs. Definitely not comparable to Staal and McDonagh as shut-down defensemen.
Will have to take proven > unproven in this case.

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01-02-2013, 01:03 PM
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That is a very poor way of judging who #12 is.

3 guys gave him some low rank votes. Ask writers to actually rank the top 20 and you'll get a better idea.

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"Michael Del Zotto is the 12th best Defense in the National Hockey league"

- That picture.

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Will have to take proven > unproven in this case.
I don't understand what point you're making here. What is proven?

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That is a very poor way of judging who #12 is.

3 guys gave him some low rank votes. Ask writers to actually rank the top 20 and you'll get a better idea.
we wuz joking. DZ might crack top....30...35?

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I don't understand what point you're making here. What is proven?
Carlson in a shutdown role. (10-11 was elite)

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we wuz joking. DZ might crack top....30...35?
Top 40 probably.

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very good, but not great. He is a solid top 4 dman with top pairing potential.
Yep. DZ's offense puts him over the top of Carlson for me, too.

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