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01-02-2013, 12:43 PM
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I think we'll see the contract limits at 7, which is not the problem contracts length. It is the 12-15 year deals that are the problem.

The older contracts are the only ones I think will be a problem, with how they back dive.
Well that is the problem, those deals were definitely for cap circumvention but even a 7 year contract, given to a player at age 36 or 37 would extend until he is 43 or 44 and if signed with a descending pay out it would still be for the same cap manipulation, because the player would likely retire after 3 or 4 years.

The best idea, would be to have contracts honored for their entire length, with no descending pay out, if a player signs a 5 million per year contract it should be paid out at 5 million a year for the entire contract (5 mill X 7 years = 35 million).

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01-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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Well that is the problem, those deals were definitely for cap circumvention but even a 7 year contract, given to a player at age 36 or 37 would extend until he is 43 or 44 and if signed with a descending pay out it would still be for the same cap manipulation, because the player would likely retire after 3 or 4 years.

The best idea, would be to have contracts honored for their entire length, with no descending pay out, if a player signs a 5 million per year contract it should be paid out at 5 million a year for the entire contract (5 mill X 7 years = 35 million).
Except that players over 35 clause already exists in the current CBA where even if the player retires he counts against cap.

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01-02-2013, 02:14 PM
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Except that players over 35 clause already exists in the current CBA where even if the player retires he counts against cap.
Well they just have to make sure, that it isn't changed in this CBA and have all contracts regardless of the players age, under contract for the same rules, all contracts to have no descending money pay outs and they do have to be paid, at the cap amount per year, for the entire contract length, to prevent any cap manipulation.

If your going to have a hard cap then make it hard cap and stop this cap manipulation, even if a player is signed at 33 or 34 for 7 years, the contract must be honored, for entire term of the contract and at the per year cap rate.

Luongo is signed until he's 33 and no one expects him to play that long but his contract supposedly ends when he retires.

Provision will have to be made for injured players but I would hope that it would truly be a career ending injury.

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01-02-2013, 02:35 PM
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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 59m
NHL CBA talks to start soon. Players at NHL office now.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 57m
#CBA Talks between NHL and NHLPA to begin "relatively soon"

- NHLPA reportedly discussing expanded 20-team postseason
then even the leafs might make the playoffs

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01-02-2013, 02:39 PM
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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 59m
NHL CBA talks to start soon. Players at NHL office now.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 57m
#CBA Talks between NHL and NHLPA to begin "relatively soon"

- NHLPA reportedly discussing expanded 20-team postseasonthen even the leafs might make the playoffs
Heard this this morning....i hate this idea.

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01-02-2013, 02:44 PM
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NHLPA has countered once again to NHL proposal, I like where this is headed

response from NHL expected tonight

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01-02-2013, 02:45 PM
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#NHL going over PA's latest proposal. Both sides expected to meet at some pt later tonite. Told #NHL knows disclaimer still real possibility

CBC News Alerts ‏@CBCAlerts 43s
Players present counter-offer to NHL during short meeting . NHLPA's Donald Fehr say he hopes there will be talks tonight

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NHL will respond around 8pm
whether that means a meeting we shall see


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01-02-2013, 02:50 PM
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i heard some players are coming back from europe
you think they know something?

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01-02-2013, 03:25 PM
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Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 4m
#NHL going over PA's latest proposal. Both sides expected to meet at some pt later tonite. Told #NHL knows disclaimer still real possibility

CBC News Alerts ‏@CBCAlerts 43s
Players present counter-offer to NHL during short meeting . NHLPA's Donald Fehr say he hopes there will be talks tonight

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whether that means a meeting we shall see
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01-02-2013, 03:27 PM
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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 59m
NHL CBA talks to start soon. Players at NHL office now.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 57m
#CBA Talks between NHL and NHLPA to begin "relatively soon"

- NHLPA reportedly discussing expanded 20-team postseason
then even the leafs might make the playoffs
Would it be closer to Baseball where a couple of wildcard teams play a 5 game series and the majority have a bye or NFL where the majority play and the only the top couple of teams get a bye?

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01-02-2013, 03:29 PM
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Would it be closer to Baseball where a couple of wildcard teams play a 5 game series and the majority have a bye or NFL where the majority play and the only the top couple of teams get a bye?
I hope it means a bye for some and a short 3 game series. This really waters down the playoffs and is obviously just a money grab for mediocre teams.

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I hope it means a bye for some and a short 3 game series. This really waters down the playoffs and is obviously just a money grab for mediocre teams.
If it is only the bottom teams for a two out of three I don't know if I would be against it. There is always such a logjam at the bottom, especially with the points system the way it is now. It does make it that much harder for a bottom team to upset it's way to the finals.

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That's a cynical understanding of a unionized workforce.

Have you ever worked for a business where you've been represented by a union? The work done by unions affects not just the workers covered and protected by the union but there are ripple effects that force non-unionized businesses to remain competitive with the unionized businesses.
No I would never let a union control my means of earning income and taking a cut for themselves nor do I work in a sector that requires unions (not that many sectors DO these days but that's besides the point and off topic).

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01-02-2013, 03:52 PM
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How'd you get the neat little icons from twitter? I've been thinking we need a twitter tag like we have for YouTube.

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Players are leaving NHL offices.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 1hr
#CBA NHLPA made response this afternoon. NHL to review it and two sides expected to meet again tonight

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 34m
The NHL is working on a response after the NHLPA made an offer today. Long night ahead folks.


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Well that is the problem, those deals were definitely for cap circumvention but even a 7 year contract, given to a player at age 36 or 37 would extend until he is 43 or 44 and if signed with a descending pay out it would still be for the same cap manipulation, because the player would likely retire after 3 or 4 years.

The best idea, would be to have contracts honored for their entire length, with no descending pay out, if a player signs a 5 million per year contract it should be paid out at 5 million a year for the entire contract (5 mill X 7 years = 35 million).
did you forget about the variance piece within this contract length too? if there is 10% variance for example then the format would be simular.. players would be more inclined to play out the contract cause of the $$ and GMs would be more hesitant to give them out to aging players that they dont want to risk paying 6mil a year to.

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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 59m
NHL CBA talks to start soon. Players at NHL office now.

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN 57m
#CBA Talks between NHL and NHLPA to begin "relatively soon"

- NHLPA reportedly discussing expanded 20-team postseason
then even the leafs might make the playoffs
Makes me sick thinking about this.

The NHL is already the easiest league to make the playoffs.

No reason to make it easier and further diminish the meaning behind weeding out the weaklings.

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Makes me sick thinking about this.

The NHL is already the easiest league to make the playoffs.

No reason to make it easier and further diminish the meaning behind weeding out the weaklings.
I know a team can go 10 W-0 L -72 OTL and make playoffs with 92 pts by theory... 10 win team can potentially make the playoffs..

They have no choice to open up to 20 teams in this format cause too many teams get hosed yearly or make wins worth 3 pts like soccer..

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I know a team can go 10 W-0 L -72 OTL and make playoffs with 92 pts by theory... 10 win team can potentially make the playoffs..

They have no choice to open up to 20 teams in this format cause too many teams get hosed yearly or make wins worth 3 pts like soccer..
What they want is more money from playoff games , more opportunities for success and exposure for struggling non-traditional franchises, if you ask me.

I don't know why the 1-3 point system gives them no choice, myself.

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"Parity" is actually taking the fun out of Trade deadline.

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Who is Katie Strang? I've only started hearing of her since the lockout began. Seems to have come out of nowhere, at least to me.

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Who is Katie Strang? I've only started hearing of her since the lockout began. Seems to have come out of nowhere, at least to me.
She has been around the NHL circle for the past few years.

Not sure why she's been assigned to the lockout, but she'll be pretty reliable in terms of general information.

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Who is Katie Strang? I've only started hearing of her since the lockout began. Seems to have come out of nowhere, at least to me.
This is Katie Strang....


That was her in grade 6. Read more here....

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/grand-r...s_visit_s.html

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Greed rules!!!!

Can you imagine how much that would mean to revenue if they could guarantee the Habs and Leafs are in the playoffs every year. Assuming they are better than bottom 10 years ...

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No I would never let a union control my means of earning income and taking a cut for themselves nor do I work in a sector that requires unions (not that many sectors DO these days but that's besides the point and off topic).
I've worked in a couple situations that the union caused pay raises for non-union employees.

Non unionized employees have almost no rights, except to quit and go elsewhere which means the companies don't have to worry about pension costs.

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