Yes I do think he will be better then Schenn and Henrique
I would be shocked if Hodgson ends up better than Schenn.. Schenn has out performed him at every level and has a much higher ceiling... Henrique I won't argue because I actually like Hodgsons potential more.
Gaborik is pretty solid too. Karlsson is still a newer player in this league, Kessel hasn't been to the playoffs in years, and the Nuge has only played one season. All are pretty solid. What kinda player wins championships exactly? Malkin? Toews? Kopitar? Chara? Guys who have actually won championships?
When has Schenn out performed Hodgson besides the world juniors that was 2 years after his draft year, Hodgson and Schenn are similar size who have similar offensive skills with Hodgson being the smarter of the 2 players. Hockey Iq is one of the most important things to me which is why I have Hodgson and Couturier over Schenn. Schenn is better physically and a better skater although Hodgson has made huge inprovements in that regard. Ill keep tabs on this thread because I am pretty confident this will be pretty clear in the not to distant future.
Hockey IQ? Really? I have seen every NHL game and many AHL games Schenn has played. I have never once questioned his hockey IQ. So unless Hodgson's IQ is off the charts, I doubt that argument has much validity.
Hockey IQ? Really? I have seen every NHL game and many AHL games Schenn has played. I have never once questioned his hockey IQ. So unless Hodgson's IQ is off the charts, I doubt that argument has much validity.
Hodgson thinks the game extremely well, although hockey IQ is not an issue for these guys.
Couturier
Schenn/Hodgson
Henrique
Although it could change quite easily, since it's so early in their careers.
Lol at the guy who said you can't win a championship with RNH, kovy, or karlsson. I guess good players don't win championships
I've been saying it since The very beginning of the Henrique hype.. The guy played with Parise and Kovy.... Look what he's doing without them in the AHL... Nothing.. Schenn and couturier played much less time than both Hodgson and Henrique and with worse line mates so it really wasn't fair to compare their roles, look at what each player is doing right now
2012-13 AHL stats
Schenn GP31 G13 A19 P32
Couturier GP29 G9 A18 P27
Hodgson GP17 G5 A13 P18
Henrique GP16 G5 A3 P8
Offensively it's:
Schenn
Couturier
Hodgson
Henrique
Defensively:
Couturier
Schenn
Henrique
Hodgson
Overall:
Couturier
Schenn
Henrique
Hodgson
Only reason I put Henrique over Hodgson is his obvious leadership and intangibles.. Hodgson is more talented
Wow, it really looks like Henrique was easily the best of the bunch last year. However, let's delve into some more categories.
PP- Schenn has 4 PPG compared to Henrique's and Couturier's 0. However, Henrique had 8 PPP compared to Schenn's 5 and Couts' 1. I believe Henrique and Schenn both played on 2nd PP units, while Couturier barely had any time.
SH- It's clear Henrique was the superior player. He led the league in shorthanded points and was counted on heavily in the top PK OF ALL TIME.
Playoffs-
Henrique- 24 5 8 13 +12 (2 series clinching goals)
Schenn- 11 3 6 9 -3
Couturier- 11 3 1 4 +2 (had 3 goals in one game)
While Schenn may have had the better statistics, Henrique clearly had the better playoffs. He led rookies in playoff scoring, while scoring 2 series clinching goals. The Kovalchuk-Parise argument is crap. He played on the third line (with Clarkson and Ponikarovsky) and produced at a similar clip than he did during the regular season.
Henrique isnt getting his due because he isnt as 'sexy' as the highly drafted Schenn and Couturier
Wow, it really looks like Henrique was easily the best of the bunch last year. However, let's delve into some more categories.
PP- Schenn has 4 PPG compared to Henrique's and Couturier's 0. However, Henrique had 8 PPP compared to Schenn's 5 and Couts' 1. I believe Henrique and Schenn both played on 2nd PP units, while Couturier barely had any time.
SH- It's clear Henrique was the superior player. He led the league in shorthanded points and was counted on heavily in the top PK OF ALL TIME.
Playoffs-
Henrique- 24 5 8 13 +12 (2 series clinching goals)
Schenn- 11 3 6 9 -3
Couturier- 11 3 1 4 +2 (had 3 goals in one game)
While Schenn may have had the better statistics, Henrique clearly had the better playoffs. He led rookies in playoff scoring, while scoring 2 series clinching goals. The Kovalchuk-Parise argument is crap. He played on the third line (with Clarkson and Ponikarovsky) and produced at a similar clip than he did during the regular season.
Henrique isnt getting his due because he isnt as 'sexy' as the highly drafted Schenn and Couturier
Played with Parise and Kovalchuk for periods of time. Doesn't count.
Wow, it really looks like Henrique was easily the best of the bunch last year. However, let's delve into some more categories.
PP- Schenn has 4 PPG compared to Henrique's and Couturier's 0. However, Henrique had 8 PPP compared to Schenn's 5 and Couts' 1. I believe Henrique and Schenn both played on 2nd PP units, while Couturier barely had any time.
SH- It's clear Henrique was the superior player. He led the league in shorthanded points and was counted on heavily in the top PK OF ALL TIME.
Playoffs-
Henrique- 24 5 8 13 +12 (2 series clinching goals)
Schenn- 11 3 6 9 -3
Couturier- 11 3 1 4 +2 (had 3 goals in one game)
While Schenn may have had the better statistics, Henrique clearly had the better playoffs. He led rookies in playoff scoring, while scoring 2 series clinching goals. The Kovalchuk-Parise argument is crap. He played on the third line (with Clarkson and Ponikarovsky) and produced at a similar clip than he did during the regular season.
Henrique isnt getting his due because he isnt as 'sexy' as the highly drafted Schenn and Couturier
So much fail here.... Henrique played with two superstars with 1st line minutes.... Couturier and Schenn played with Wellwood, Rinaldo, ect 3rd and 4th line responsibilities .... Henrique was also 21, Schenn 20, Couturier was 18
Henrique TOI 18:09, 1:38PP, 1:47PK, 14:43ES
Couturier TOI 14:08, .26PP, 2:41PK, 10:59ES
Schenn TOI 14:07, 1.41PP, 0:06PK, 12:20ES
If you look at quality of linemates, as a line they averaged 68 points a piece.... Henrique only scored 51, he was obviously the weak link that was carried.. He scored 17 less points than his lines average!
When they were "Lucky" they got to play a little with Simmonds and Voracek and schenn at times with Briere.... Nothing close to Kovy or Parise. Hell I would even take Matt read last year over Henrique
So much fail here.... Henrique played with two superstars with 1st line minutes.... Couturier and Schenn played with Wellwood, Rinaldo, ect 3rd and 4th line responsibilities .... Henrique was also 21, Schenn 20, Couturier was 18
Henrique TOI 18:09, 1:38PP, 1:47PK, 14:43ES
Couturier TOI 14:08, .26PP, 2:41PK, 10:59ES
Schenn TOI 14:07, 1.41PP, 0:06PK, 12:20ES
If you look at quality of linemates, as a line they averaged 68 points a piece.... Henrique only scored 51, he was obviously the weak link that was carried.. He scored 17 less points than his lines average!
When they were "Lucky" they got to play a little with Simmonds and Voracek and schenn at times with Briere.... Nothing close to Kovy or Parise. Hell I would even take Matt read last year over Henrique
WAYNE SIMMONDS BRAYDEN SCHENN DANNY BRIERE 3.85%
ZAC RINALDO SEAN COUTURIER MAXIME TALBOT 3.4%
JAKUB VORACEK SEAN COUTURIER MAXIME TALBOT 2.54%
MATT READ BRAYDEN SCHENN WAYNE SIMMONDS 2.23%
that's Schenn's and Couturier's two most frequent line combinations throughout the season. I don't see Wellwood anywhere in there.
the closest percentage with Wellwood:
Yeah. In the playoffs Henrique played on the third line and produced similarly than he did during the regular season......
But Coturier and schenn were still better in the playoffs. Henrique was really good and clutch but schenn Had better numbers and couturier shut down Malkin.
And before you try the Henrique scored more than schenn, schenn had 9 points in 11 games, Henrique only 13 in 24.
But Coturier and schenn were still better in the playoffs. Henrique was really good and clutch but schenn Had better numbers and couturier shut down Malkin.
And before you try the Henrique scored more than schenn, schenn had 9 points in 11 games, Henrique only 13 in 24.
I forgot points are the only way to compare players
So much fail here.... Henrique played with two superstars with 1st line minutes.... Couturier and Schenn played with Wellwood, Rinaldo, ect 3rd and 4th line responsibilities .... Henrique was also 21, Schenn 20, Couturier was 18
The only fail here is you dismissing everything Henrique did over the course of the season because he played on a line with good players who he complemented just as much as they complemented him. He earned his way on to that line. He didn't even play with them nearly as much as you love to insinuate and almost none in the playoffs. Kovalchuk was playing like 28 minutes a game for 60% of the season. He played with everyone on the team.
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Originally Posted by Sasso09
When they were "Lucky" they got to play a little with Simmonds and Voracek and schenn at times with Briere.... Nothing close to Kovy or Parise. Hell I would even take Matt read last year over Henrique
LOL. Matt Read. Keep going. So you cite Henrique's age as a reason why no one should be comparing him to Couturier and Schenn, and then you turn around and immediately say you would have even taken Matt Read, the 25 year old, over Henrique? You can't even keep your flimsy arguments straight.
The only fail here is you dismissing everything Henrique did over the course of the season because he played on a line with good players who he complemented just as much as they complemented him. He earned his way on to that line. He didn't even play with them nearly as much as you love to insinuate and almost none in the playoffs. Kovalchuk was playing like 28 minutes a game for 60% of the season. He played with everyone on the team.
LOL. Matt Read. Keep going. So you cite Henrique's age as a reason why no one should be comparing him to Couturier and Schenn, and then you turn around and immediately say you would have even taken Matt Read, the 25 year old, over Henrique? You can't even keep your flimsy arguments straight.
What Matt read did without playing with kovy an Parise is far more impressive than what Henrique did with them, not even arguable.. And Henrique didn't "Earn" anything, he was a fill in for an injured Zajac. And I love your line about Henrique helping them as much as they helped him... Explain why he scored 17 less points than Parise and 31 less than kovy if he was just as good.
What Matt read did without playing with kovy an Parise is far more impressive than what Henrique did with them, not even arguable.. And Henrique didn't "Earn" anything, he was a fill in for an injured Zajac. And I love your line about Henrique helping them as much as they helped him... Explain why he scored 17 less points than Parise and 31 less than kovy if he was just as good.
....because he was a rookie who played less games, less overall minutes and significantly less power play minutes than either of them.
Not exactly that much of a leap.
And no one is arguing that he's AS GOOD as either of them, but that he was a good player who gelled extremely well between two great players.
The first center to be able to make Parise & Kovalchuk work well on the same line together, actually.
Henrique. I'd trade Stepan for him.
Not Couturier.
Not Hodgson.
Definetely not Schenn.
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