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01-02-2013, 06:15 PM
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This makes no sense to me.

Dubinsky and Anisimov combine for $6.075 million cap-hit. That's not including the raise Anisimov is sure to get for the 2013-14 season. So that difference of ~$1.7 million is going to be the difference between being keeping Gaborik and having to cut him loose?
Don't forget Erixon's cap hit, who everyone was penciling in for this season.

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01-02-2013, 06:17 PM
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well if the Rangers get less for Gaborik then they should keep him.. if the Rangers wont get a first round pick 1-5 overall but i can settle for 6-15, they should keep him and try to resign him to a 3 year at most deal..
They are keeping him. This hypothetical scenario was dealing him because they needed to clear cap space for 2013/2014 and the team had no other options (other players to move.) The odds of this happening are 1 in 100 imo.

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01-02-2013, 06:21 PM
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They are keeping him. This hypothetical scenario was dealing him because they needed to clear cap space for 2013/2014 and the team had no other options (other players to move.) The odds of this happening are 1 in 100 imo.
Ill take those odds, if you're givin' them.

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01-02-2013, 06:22 PM
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Hear NHL's pension proposal was a very major issue for the players, but sides may be trying to resolve that problem.
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In labor negotiations, deals don't get done until there's a deadline. Midnight Jan 2 deadline for NHLPA disclaimer has been in place 4 weeks
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01-02-2013, 06:34 PM
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I think you may be lowballing our RFAs as well. Both Hagelin and McDonagh will be arbitration eligible. If McD goes to arbitration, he's going to get more than 3.5 mil, even under the new cap structure. If Stepan puts up 70 points, 2.6 mil might not get it done, though maybe Sather can convince him to take a short term deal.

Basically, if your projections are short even 1 mil, it won't work. It's debatable that it will work even as you drew it up, since using the bonus cushion might just push the problem into the following year (since we don't know how much the cap will go up) when other players need to be paid.

If the cap is set at 60 mil for 13-14, we are going to lose someone. But I don't think the cap will be that low. The NHL will come up a little bit.

Maybe someone should suggest that whatever cap dollars aren't used this year (up to a certain amount...maybe 5 mil?) can be applied to next year as a way to bridge the gap. The actual numbers don't change from the NHL's POV. It's still a total of 130, but teams can do 65, 65 instead of 70, 60.
The NFL allows team to use any unused cap space to the following season. Gary won't go for that.

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01-02-2013, 06:40 PM
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It's inaccurate to say only pensions are holding up the NHL deal. It's just one of many issues that need several days to work out.

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Sources with a pair of NHL clubs have told THE DAILY that they have completed preparations for training camps to open late next week, in the hopes that a CBA between the NHL and NHLPA will be finalized before Commissioner Gary Bettman ’s stated deadline of Jan. 11
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01-02-2013, 06:49 PM
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What do you guys think the cap will have to be at in order to be able to keep Gaborik?...And I really hope they don't file that disclaimer tonight...think that would mean they are really close...Plus, if things do end up blowing up again, then they can file at a later time I believe

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01-02-2013, 06:50 PM
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The Penguins could begin an NHL season where their Stanley Cup playoff run ended.

Though multiple sources said plans are subject to change, the Penguins likely would face the Flyers in Philadelphia for a nationally televised matinee on Jan. 19 if the NHL and its Players‘ Association agree on a new labor contract.

The sources said a 48-game season would begin Jan. 19, with each of the NHL‘s 30 clubs playing that day. Games would be played throughout the day as part of a celebration of hockey across North America. Rivalry games would dominate Day 1 of the shortened season to placate the NHL‘s national television partners in the United States and Canada, the source said.

Consol Energy Center is booked the evening of Jan. 19 for a Duquesne men‘s basketball game. Philadelphia‘s Wells Fargo Center is booked for Penn State men‘s hockey in the evening, but the Flyers are tentatively scheduled to face the Calgary Flames at 1 p.m.

A 48-game schedule will preserve most of the previously booked arena dates, but matchups will change because clubs will play only in-conference opponents. Clubs would play seven games against division opponents and a home and road game against each of 10 remaining conference teams, the sources said.
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01-02-2013, 06:56 PM
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Labor talks to resume at 8:15.

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The NHL's next CBA session will start in 20 minutes.

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NHL and PA are expected to resume talks around 815 tonight. Stay tuned. Potentially big night ahead of us. #tsn

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So we'd play the Devils to open up the season on the 19th? Sign me up.

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NHLPA says its delegation will be heading to NHL office 'shortly'

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01-02-2013, 06:58 PM
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These issues shouldn't be so hard to settle if the two sides actually negotiated instead of giving each other proposals and counter proposals. The NBA settled their differences with the players association after meeting for 15 hours. These guys spend an hour together and drop off the proposal

PA just tweeted this

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CBA Update - Talks continue tonight between NHLPA & NHL in New York City. Stay tuned for updates this evening:
https://twitter.com/NHLPA/status/286636814670913536

Followed by the tweets by the media for the meeting resuming at 8:15

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Read this...This guy is very reliable

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01-02-2013, 07:01 PM
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The players are here.

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01-02-2013, 07:14 PM
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Media allowed inside NHL offices tonight. Hooray!
Speculation on my part, and perhaps colored by blind optimism, but hopefully this is a prelude to a news conference announcing a deal.

If there wasn't optimism on behalf the NHL, I would think they'd leave the reporters outside like they have the rest of the week, but of course it could be nothing more than a nice gesture.

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NHL has rescued us off the frigid sidewalks and let us wait out the meeting in its offices.. pic.twitter.com/6a8lawf0


Holding a press conference would be so easy. Just do it.


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01-02-2013, 07:18 PM
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I was thinking the same thing

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01-02-2013, 07:18 PM
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Speculation on my part, and perhaps colored by blind optimism, but hopefully this is a prelude to a news conference announcing a deal.

If there wasn't optimism on behalf the NHL, I would think they'd leave the reporters outside like they have the rest of the week, but of course it could be nothing more than a nice gesture.
It was absolutely bitter cold in the city today, so I'm sure it's just that.

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01-02-2013, 07:20 PM
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It was absolutely bitter cold in the city today, so I'm sure it's just that.
It was pretty cold yesterday too, but the NHL still made them sit outside.

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01-02-2013, 07:22 PM
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It was pretty cold yesterday too, but the NHL still made them sit outside.
Today was 10 times colder, and that was during the day.

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Today was 10 times colder, and that was during the day.
Temperatures dropped to 26 degrees last night. They are forecasted to drop to 21 degrees tonight.

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A media member dying of hypothermia would just be more bad press for the NHL. This is all part of the plan to look good and keep us suckers coming back to their greedy, corrupt league. If they didn't think money was on the line they would've left Dreger and LeBrun out to die alone in the cold desolate city streets.

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A media member dying of hypothermia would just be more bad press for the NHL. This is all part of the plan to look good and keep us suckers coming back to their greedy, corrupt league. If they didn't think money was on the line they would've left Dreger and LeBrun out to die alone in the cold desolate city streets.
Missing something?


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01-02-2013, 07:30 PM
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Missing something?

I always felt like it defeated the purpose.

Anyhow, the story about the Buffalo representatives trying to get in locked doors to talk to Brad Richards still has to be my favorite hockey related entrance-denied story of all time.

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01-02-2013, 07:31 PM
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You guys read way too much into things. It's bitter cold outside. Everybody has pretty much tweeted thats the reason why they are being let in.

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