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01-02-2013, 02:34 PM
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Not sure where you get your information from. Koivu was known by his teammates(and I believe a THN poll had him as one of the best in the NHL) as a great leader and very well respected while Yashin was always preceived a guy who played for himself and not the team.
Well Koivu was often referred as a captain by example. Not the biggest talker in the room. Not the guy who was able to diminuish the clans that was formed over the years. But a guy you had to follow 'cause of how he was giving his all on the ice. But for me, it doesn't make him less of a captain, less of a winner or less of player. Just the type of captain and player that he was.

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01-02-2013, 02:35 PM
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Well Koivu was often referred as a captain by example. Not the biggest talker in the room. Not the guy who was able to diminuish the clans that was formed over the years. But a guy you had to follow 'cause of how he was giving his all on the ice.
Some of the best leaders in hockey weren't big talkers...Yzerman being a great example...Rocket...etc

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01-02-2013, 02:47 PM
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Some of the best leaders in hockey weren't big talkers...Yzerman being a great example...Rocket...etc
True. Anyway, my point was just about the fact that it's really tough to really determine for sure who is or isn't a team player. Easier to know who has great playoffs, like Koivu compared to Yashin. But does it make Yashin less a winner because he ended up in New York on a really bad team? Do we know for sure that he was satisfied of cashing in and not win anything? And in the end....we also have no idea of Grigo's mentality about it either. Even if we'd think he's like that...they are still kids with things to learn and improve from on ice to off ice. What a kid is now doesn't mean he'll be in 5 years.

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01-02-2013, 07:46 PM
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Come on people, Yashin was indeed a good player but Carey Price's comment wasn't incorrect, at-least if you understood what he was trying to say.

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01-02-2013, 08:34 PM
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Grigo was solid but couldn't convert. Today he was extremely dangerous.

For Andrighetto, he just signed a 3-year deal with a team in Switzerland, Geneve-Servette. Doesn't refrain a team to sign him but might indicate his intention so teams would be less interested.
Well he did come to the QMJHL, so I'm assuming the NHL is his dream. Probably figures he'll get better development in the Swiss league than the Q.

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01-02-2013, 08:37 PM
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Andrighetto was one of the guys I wanted in the last tier of the draft. Fun player to watch. I would have went his way instead of the Nystrom way though I had no idea who Nystrom was....
I liked Sven quite a bit as well, I think he'd be an exciting NHL player if he makes it

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01-02-2013, 08:53 PM
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I'd rather have a player you win with than one that just "puts up points".

I see him as a 55-60 point max NHLer or KHLer but similar style and personality to Yashin.
That's an old man's tale.

Every single kind of player can win the cup once they reach the NHL. Making Yashin your #1 leader probably wouldn't work, but in no way does that mean you can't win with him.
Making Plekanec or offensive leader (like we did with Koivu) won't make us win the cup either, doesn't mean he's not a player you can win with.

Was he a soft player? Perhaps. He still averaged 76pts a season in the nhl, and you don't reach those totals by not competing or playing hard.
I mean, people even called Alfie soft and doubted his leadership until he finally brought the Sens to the finals.

Bottom line is if Grigo turns out to be like Yashin, Buffalo got themselves a great player.

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01-02-2013, 09:16 PM
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Come on people, Yashin was indeed a good player but Carey Price's comment wasn't incorrect, at-least if you understood what he was trying to say.
Bottom line is that he predicts Grigo's career to be like Yashin's. So there's actually nothing correct or incorrect about his statement...it is just a prediction after all. But then it went as a big Yashin's criticisms, points and so on and this is where there are differences of opinions.

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01-02-2013, 10:33 PM
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Yashin gets a worse rap than he probably deserves, well he deserves it for what he did in Ottawa but for the Islanders he was overpaid to carry a terrible team and couldn't do it but for all reports was a good teammate there who did try, he just wasn't a leader on or off the ice, he didn't have that drive...if Girgorenko ends up another Yashin his reputation will be completely different just because the expectations are so much different.

It's all about narrative...Look at how Plekanec suddenly got a new army of haters as soon as he had a 70 point season and couldn't repeat it regularly.

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01-03-2013, 04:58 AM
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01-03-2013, 05:00 AM
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Ryan Murphy is a joke defensively. Terrible.

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01-03-2013, 05:03 AM
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Ryan Murphy is a joke defensively. Terrible.
Absolutely.

I think Team Canada misses Hudon a lot more then they realize. Teams need players like that.

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01-03-2013, 05:06 AM
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Ryan Murphy is a joke defensively. Terrible.
I recall Ryan Murray being responsible for 3 goals in the exact same situation last year.

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01-03-2013, 05:11 AM
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01-03-2013, 05:11 AM
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What I thought would be a good move to not by too physical 'cause we've be penalized everytime, well that's somehow missing right now. US laughs at Canada's physical play.

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01-03-2013, 05:17 AM
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It's as if this team is playing together for the first time. No chemistry. That and no finish by Huberdeau and Strome on those great chances. (although that was a great save by Gibson). I miss Gallagher's bulldog (no pun intended) grit from last year. Please RNH...pleasse pull a Tavares.

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01-03-2013, 05:18 AM
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5:18 am....is it worth watching this train wreck anymore?

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Ouellet looked terrible there. And Griffin Reinhart may be the worst 4th overall pick I can remember.

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01-03-2013, 05:19 AM
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Ouellet looked terrible there. And Griffin Reinhart may be the worst 4th overall pick I can remember.
Not surprising based on who did it. It made no sense then. Makes no sense now. Will make no sense in the future.

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01-03-2013, 05:21 AM
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01-03-2013, 05:23 AM
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Now Reinhart takes a ridiculous penalty.

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01-03-2013, 05:23 AM
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The wake up call has been sent,Malcolm taking heat for the sleeping giant.Time to play some MacKinnon & Drouin with Strome.Change things up,shake the lines up before the team gets too far behind 4 goals by Canada isn't out of the question by any stretch of the imagination.Go Canada Go!

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I hope Subban (needed to stop the 4th AT LEAST), Hamilton and Reilly continue this suckage into the NHL. And can we please FFWD to Gally being in the NHL?

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