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Everything Canada (goaltending, coaching, future)

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01-03-2013, 06:24 AM
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2004, Silver: MA Fleury, Burns, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Carter, Crosby, Getzlaf, Richards

2003, Silver: Coliacovo, White, Laich, Lupul, Parentau, Roy

2002, Silver: Bouwmeester, Hamhuis, Boyes, Cammalari, Nash, Spezza, Upshall

1998-2001 (8th, silver, 2 bronze) Heatley, Richards, Ribero, Luongo, Gagne, Campbell, Morrow, Regehr, Lecavallier, Tanguay.

Look at all those names and think 0 gold medals.

**** happens

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.p...618&year0=1998

this team finished behind Kazakstan. Development is fine, **** happens
1988-1997 8 golds, it is called variance


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01-03-2013, 06:38 AM
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Canada still produces the most top players of all the countries. IMO this years team is not that good especially we are talking about lockout team.

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01-03-2013, 06:39 AM
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Well atleast don cherry can comfort his people with the list of all players in the nhl that would otherwise destroy this tournament.




Oh wait...

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01-03-2013, 06:49 AM
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From dominating everyone in the last lockout and going on a 5 year streak for gold to losing and being dominated by the US 5-1 in the semi finals of a best on best WJC.. what has happened?
Same thing that happened in 1998 - 2004. Expectation to win every year plus lack of maturity to handle it. Every year Canada does not win, there is more pressure on the team next year. Other nations don't have those expectations or the media scrutiny put on them.

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01-03-2013, 07:00 AM
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It looked like Canada emotionally peaked during the Russian game. The USA game was anti-climactic. I'd say that was a coaching issue. A good coach will have them build up then peak during the gold medal game.

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01-03-2013, 07:01 AM
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The most devastating loss in Canadian Junior history.

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01-03-2013, 07:03 AM
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This tournament is not a best of 7. In a one game showdown, anything can happen, and when you have great teams like Sweden, USA and Russia, Canada is never guaranteed the Gold. The rest of the world produces great teams and great players, so Canada is not a sure bet to get Gold every year in a one game elimination.

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01-03-2013, 07:06 AM
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A lot can happen in a best of 1 "series". A stupid mistake here or a stupid penalty there and you lose the game. For example, Nichushkin takes 5 and a game, Canada scores two on the ensuing PP and it's game over for Russia. But in the end it's still just one game. You can't draw a conclusion about the quality of a country's hockey program based on the result of a single game.

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01-03-2013, 07:07 AM
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LOL, I wouldn't mind having him until he goes senile.

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01-03-2013, 07:13 AM
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Canadian Junior development is fine, the problem is Hockey Canada who have no idea how to run things anymore.

Bad player selection for the camp and mediocre coaching isn't going to get the job done. Hockey Canada was given carte blanche considering the lockout and they managed to do the same thing they did at the 2006 Turino Olympics: hoping that the names would win gold for Canada.

Hockey Canada needs a major overhaul; the way other countries have improved they are not getting the job done at the WJC level.

I can appreciate the fact that in a 1 game elimination tournament anything can happen but it was clear from the get go that Team Canada was not good enough and I cannot accept how they went about picking the players who made the team, what a complete and utter joke.

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01-03-2013, 07:39 AM
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As long as its never Spott again.

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01-03-2013, 07:39 AM
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As long as it's not someone who's there to be the OHL's friend with benefits

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01-03-2013, 07:54 AM
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Most NHLers by far, and we`ve finished with a medal for 15 straight years.

The opponents have improved, and the 1 game showdowns can go either way most of the time.

Our "B" team would be significantly better than any other country`s B team IMO

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01-03-2013, 08:07 AM
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the problem isn't development - it's hockey canada and coaching selections.

hopefully after this latest debacle, prendergast is shown the door.

it would be nice for nicholson to get the boot - but i'm doubt he would over the wjc, especially the year before the olympics.

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01-03-2013, 08:07 AM
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2004, Silver: MA Fleury, Burns, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Carter, Crosby, Getzlaf, Richards

2003, Silver: Coliacovo, White, Laich, Lupul, Parentau, Roy

2002, Silver: Bouwmeester, Hamhuis, Boyes, Cammalari, Nash, Spezza, Upshall

1998-2001 (8th, silver, 2 bronze) Heatley, Richards, Ribero, Luongo, Gagne, Campbell, Morrow, Regehr, Lecavallier, Tanguay.

Look at all those names and think 0 gold medals.

**** happens

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.p...618&year0=1998

this team finished behind Kazakstan. Development is fine, **** happens
1988-1997 8 golds, it is called variance



I know everyone is upset about the loss, but can we read this post and stop overreacting?

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01-03-2013, 08:12 AM
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Id be happy with a no nonsense coaching staff next year of Sutter, Dale Hunter, Bob Boughner and Benoit Groulx....

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01-03-2013, 08:15 AM
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Jacques Beaulieu
Brent Sutter
Dale Hunter

They don't play favourites and they don't take any ****. They've played the game and they've all got a lot of coaching experience at high levels of junior play + NHL play. I'll take those 3, but I doubt it happens.

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01-03-2013, 08:17 AM
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Simple, the 5 year gold group is in the NHL and current crop sucks.
Tho the 5 gold where in the last 10 years so...

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01-03-2013, 08:18 AM
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Jacques Beaulieu
Brent Sutter
Dale Hunter

They don't play favourites and they don't take any ****. They've played the game and they've all got a lot of coaching experience at high levels of junior play + NHL play. I'll take those 3, but I doubt it happens.
beaulieu's about the last guy i'd want coaching the team. the other two are fine

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01-03-2013, 08:18 AM
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The Canadian Junior development program is just fine. They produce quality players year after year. This tournament just indicates that other countries are catching up, if not already caught up and it's making the U20 tourny so much fun to watch whether Canada wins or loses.

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01-03-2013, 08:19 AM
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work ethic, years past it didn't matter if the canadian teams were filled with players like crosby, staal, getzlaf, or players like tootoo, you knew the team would give 110% every shift and never take a shift off.

now thats just not there, the teams have gotten into the "skill game" to much and have left the heart and soul guys at home.

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01-03-2013, 08:20 AM
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beaulieu's about the last guy i'd want coaching the team. the other two are fine
Why's that? He was great in Saint John and knows Dale Hunter well having been his assistant coach for several years winning memorial cup

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01-03-2013, 08:42 AM
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I don't think there's been an issue with junior development. There are still plenty of good Canadian players in the NHL and I think the ratio of Canadian players has been pretty steady of late.

For whatever reason Canada hasn't been producing many great goalies and I think that's a big part of the problem. Look at the NHL today - I don't think anyone would put a Canadian goalie in the top 5. I think that's more an issue of luck than anything else - it'll come around again.

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01-03-2013, 08:49 AM
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As an American, I love the second guessing and such!

With that said, the Canadians are fine. There are a few things that probably didn't go right this year, but I think the pressure is so much for these 19 y/o kids can take.

First, player selection - I think you guys take the best players available (draft talk) and not take the best team players. You need to have grit and grime as well as scorers, and I don't think your HC people make those selections properly. Easy for me to say sitting behind my computer and not actually making those key decisions. I'm not sure if that is a HC thing or a coaching thing, because I honestly don't know who gets final say on some of those "bubble" players.

Next, goaltending - for those saying this was goaltending. Forget it, that is never a valid excuse, and never should be used. They have had solid goaltending this year and in past years.

Lastly, coaching - I don't know Steve Spott, but only what I've read on here and other sites. I don't think there are a lot of people that have thought he was a good selection, so I'll trust those judgements.

Happy New Year!!

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01-03-2013, 08:51 AM
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Nothing has happened - Canada still produces the most top players of all the countries. Just goes to show that level of competition has improved a lot.
This. Canada will be fine. You can't win these things every year, and the competition is much tougher than it was in the 90s. Frankly that last 5-year gold medal run was something of a fluke, with some very close calls in its last three years. Only the 2005 & 2006 tournys were won by dominant Canadian teams.

You savor the wins a lot more when you know you can & will lose if you aren't playing your best, which today's loss demonstrated in spades.

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