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01-03-2013, 06:01 AM
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Havent seen the game yet so I cant comment on Subbans play for this game. However if he was the same as the first 2 games then I can see the issue with his play.

He strikes me very much as a tender who will be average. Stealing the occasional game and looking like the goat for few. Doesnt seem to inspire confidence in his team.
He let in 1 questionable goal today. You're not going to win many games if you only score 1 goal.

He played very well against Russia and in the win against the USA.

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01-03-2013, 06:04 AM
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He let in 1 questionable goal today. You're not going to win many games if you only score 1 goal.

He played very well against Russia and in the win against the USA.
He had a terrible selection camp, played poorly in the pre-tournament and played poorly in 3 of the 5 games at the WJC. Not defending the way Team Canada played today, it was a ****ing disgraceful embarassment, but Subban was just as much a part of it as everyone else.

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01-03-2013, 06:10 AM
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Not sure why people are judging a goalie's performance based on how many "questionable" goals he let in. When Subban was lights out against the US and Russia, I can tell you that a whole lot of those shots, if they would have scored, we would have said that Subban had no chance. But stopping those shots, made Subban looked great and make Canada win those games. So it's not about looking bad while giving goals...it's about making saves when needed on the most difficult shots.

Now having said all of that, there is NO WAY he can do something on the 1st goal. No way whatsoever. Some will say he should have moved out of the way....there was 6 players in front of the net, any way he would have at, he would not have seen anything. On the 2nd goal...well maybe he could have moved to see the puck hence he was screened by 1 player...but was screened nonetheless. Then the Gaudreau goal that you might wish he would have challenged the shooter but don't look...there was another US player immediately in front of him. But I'll say that he should have been more aggressive on the Vesey goal. So he didn't give bad goals. But didn't make great saves either. Yet, he's not responsible for that freakin game. The team in front of him wasn't there period. Canada scored on a play that was stopped. He has to be accountable...but in no way should he be seen as the one responsible.

And he should be back in the net for the bronze medal game or so I hope. And then you'll see what he's made of.

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01-03-2013, 06:13 AM
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He let in 1 questionable goal today. You're not going to win many games if you only score 1 goal.

He played very well against Russia and in the win against the USA.
Sure. Didnt say he didnt play well against Russia and US.


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Not sure why people are judging a goalie's performance based on how many "questionable" goals he let in. When Subban was lights out against the US and Russia, I can tell you that a whole lot of those shots, if they would have scored, we would have said that Subban had no chance. But stopping those shots, made Subban looked great and make Canada win those games. So it's not about looking bad while giving goals...it's about making saves when needed on the most difficult shots.

Now having said all of that, there is NO WAY he can do something on the 1st goal. No way whatsoever. Some will say he should have moved out of the way....there was 6 players in front of the net, any way he would have at, he would not have seen anything. On the 2nd goal...well maybe he could have moved to see the puck hence he was screened by 1 player...but was screened nonetheless. Then the Gaudreau goal that you might wish he would have challenged the shooter but don't look...there was another US player immediately in front of him. But I'll say that he should have been more aggressive on the Vesey goal. So he didn't give bad goals. But didn't make great saves either. Yet, he's not responsible for that freakin game. The team in front of him wasn't there period. Canada scored on a play that was stopped. He has to be accountable...but in no way should he be seen as the one responsible.

And he should be back in the net for the bronze medal game or so I hope. And then you'll see what he's made of.
Call it inconsistency. Raises questions whether hes a big game goalie as it should.

Dont think anyone is saying hes the sole reason Canada lost.Obviously they sharted in their undergarments.

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01-03-2013, 06:18 AM
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Not sure why people are judging a goalie's performance based on how many "questionable" goals he let in. When Subban was lights out against the US and Russia, I can tell you that a whole lot of those shots, if they would have scored, we would have said that Subban had no chance. But stopping those shots, made Subban looked great and make Canada win those games. So it's not about looking bad while giving goals...it's about making saves when needed on the most difficult shots.

Now having said all of that, there is NO WAY he can do something on the 1st goal. No way whatsoever. Some will say he should have moved out of the way....there was 6 players in front of the net, any way he would have at, he would not have seen anything. On the 2nd goal...well maybe he could have moved to see the puck hence he was screened by 1 player...but was screened nonetheless. Then the Gaudreau goal that you might wish he would have challenged the shooter but don't look...there was another US player immediately in front of him. But I'll say that he should have been more aggressive on the Vesey goal. So he didn't give bad goals. But didn't make great saves either. Yet, he's not responsible for that freakin game. The team in front of him wasn't there period. Canada scored on a play that was stopped. He has to be accountable...but in no way should he be seen as the one responsible.

And he should be back in the net for the bronze medal game or so I hope. And then you'll see what he's made of.
Perhaps. But it's the bronze medal game. So who cares?

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01-03-2013, 06:24 AM
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Call it inconsistency. Raises questions whether hes a big game goalie as it should.

Dont think anyone is saying hes the sole reason Canada lost.Obviously they sharted in their undergarments.
Inconsistency are composed of great saves and then big mistakes. He didn't make any big mistakes. He wasn't able to stop the pucks he didn't see. And Subban has proved he's a big game goalie times and times this year with his team. He was a big game goalie against the US and especially Russia so that we'd be in the spot we were which was to not play an additional game till today. But choking or whatever is clearly not what Subban did. Compared to the rest of the team.

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01-03-2013, 06:32 AM
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Inconsistency are composed of great saves and then big mistakes. He didn't make any big mistakes. He wasn't able to stop the pucks he didn't see. And Subban has proved he's a big game goalie times and times this year with his team. He was a big game goalie against the US and especially Russia so that we'd be in the spot we were which was to not play an additional game till today. But choking or whatever is clearly not what Subban did. Compared to the rest of the team.
Inconsistency is not just big save and big mistakes. Its can be big saves and minor mistakes, decent saves and big mistakes etc etc.

Like I said from what Ive seen so far he played well and at other times not so well. He seems unsure of himself and a bit scrambly. Which coupled with the team playing like **** is a recipe for disaster.

Its seems to me that hes very reliant on the team in front of him (as every tender is to various degrees).

I dont think he sucks and I dont think hes as great as some have made him out to be.

Did he lose the game for Canada today? Doesnt sound like it at all. But he certainly didnt come up big either.

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01-03-2013, 06:36 AM
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Quick to point the finger at goaltending after the last couple of years, but the team as a whole didn't show up today. You can't pin this on Subban.
Sure, but you shouldn't abstain yourself from saying Subban isn't good just because others aren't.

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Inconsistency is not just big save and big mistakes. Its can be big saves and minor mistakes, decent saves and big mistakes etc etc.

Like I said from what Ive seen so far he played well and at other times not so well. He seems unsure of himself and a bit scrambly. Which coupled with the team playing like **** is a recipe for disaster.

Its seems to me that hes very reliant on the team in front of him (as every tender is to various degrees).

I dont think he sucks and I dont think hes as great as some have made him out to be.

Did he lose the game for Canada today? Doesnt sound like it at all. But he certainly didnt come up big either.
But again, I'd say you were right if Canada was present today and that despite a good overall performance Subban wasn't able to make the key saves. But it wasn't the case. There was nothing to do on the first 2 goals. We could ask for him to come bigger on the last 2. But I see the problem being so much elsewhere that I don't see the need of blaming him whatsoever. Or if so, just as much as any other individual. Yet again, individually, I'd be so much tempted to be on most D's back way more than him. And most of the forwards as well. Thing is lately in Canada, we either suck at goaltending, or when in the past the goalies were looking great, we keep being told that it was because our teams were so strong in front. So seems to me that our goalies aren't treated that fairly over the years.

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I think that Vasilevski is a better prospect than Subban....but wouldn't be surprise to see him struggle today.

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Of course Subban played well against Russia and USA. A goalie needs to play well to win a game.

He let 4 goals in on 16 shots. No professional team will win a game with that stat.

We had so many really good scoring chances, yet Gibson out played Subban

That was the game right there.

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01-03-2013, 07:24 AM
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Let's start a Russia goaltending thread now....Where are the big saves?

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Let's start a Russia goaltending thread now....Where are the big saves?
Last year gold medal game plenty of big saves hence not a blowout game

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Was it Binnington who was snubbed vs Saint John in the mem cup?

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Was it Binnington who was snubbed vs Saint John in the mem cup?
Nope, he played the first two games against Kootenay and St. John. That Huberdeau goal is still burned into my retinas.

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Nope, he played the first two games against Kootenay and St. John. That Huberdeau goal is still burned into my retinas.
I thought they played someone else in the elimination game when Binnington was the clear choice. Maybe it was someone else

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Top 5 Canadian Goalies List ATM

1) Luongo
2) Price
3) Ward
4) Fleury
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i don't like the way they're starting to run only with 19 year olds - it means you constantly have an inexperienced goalie in the net. if possible, they should be coming with an 18 year old and a 19 year old, so the starting goalie is at his second wjc.

i wish they'd invited fucale to camp to get a look at him, even if he was unlikely to make the team

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Let's start a Russia goaltending thread now....Where are the big saves?
.920 % sv vs .750%

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Of course Subban played well against Russia and USA. A goalie needs to play well to win a game.

He let 4 goals in on 16 shots. No professional team will win a game with that stat.

We had so many really good scoring chances, yet Gibson out played Subban

That was the game right there.
Yet you completely ignore the fact that the US outplayed Canada in every other facets of the game

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Yet you completely ignore the fact that the US outplayed Canada in every other facets of the game
So what ? Canada outplayed the Americans in the previous game, yet the ending result was a close game thanks to good goalting, which is something Canada didn't get when they needed it.

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Yet you completely ignore the fact that the US outplayed Canada in every other facets of the game
To be fair Russia has outplayed Sweden at time in this game but Swedens been getting some good saves.

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I knew this one would get pinned on Subban. Classic. He didn't see the first 3 goals at all. 4th one was a nice shot but he should have done a better job cutting off the angle. I thought he kept them in it long enough to give them a shot, but Canada flat sucked most of the first half of the game.

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01-03-2013, 09:38 AM
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In the first 25 minutes of the Sweden Russia game, it was total Swedish domination. If not for Vasilivsky, it would have been 4 or 5-0 instead of 2-0. He gave his team a chance to win with huge saves.

Too bad we can't say the same about Subban. He didn't cause them to lose, but could have held the fort better; if it's 2-0 going into the 3rd, Canada still has a chance.


Binnington deserves a chance in the Bronze game. Not cause he is better than Subban, but Subs must be feeling let down. It's like how in 1998, Canada should have switched to Brodeur from Roy for the Bronze game after getting Haseked.

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In the first 25 minutes of the Sweden Russia game, it was total Swedish domination. If not for Vasilivsky, it would have been 4 or 5-0 instead of 2-0. He gave his team a chance to win with huge saves.

Too bad we can't say the same about Subban. He didn't cause them to lose, but could have held the fort better; if it's 2-0 going into the 3rd, Canada still has a chance.


Binnington deserves a chance in the Bronze game. Not cause he is better than Subban, but Subs must be feeling let down. It's like how in 1998, Canada should have switched to Brodeur from Roy for the Bronze game after getting Haseked.
I would expect this change from a proper coach, but Spott is an idiot. Probably let Subban play.

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