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COLUMBUS SELECTS OVERAGE DEFENDER MICHAL PLUTNAR 16TH OVERALL
June 24, 2014

Columbus added to their blueline prospect depth yesterday evening by selecting a pair of defenders with the 16th and 46th overall picks in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft. Michal Plutnar, 20, was the first selection. The 6'2" 182 lbs defenseman from the Czech Republic finished up a fantastic season with the Tri-City Americans of the WHL, which placed him among the top prospects in the draft despite being passed over in the previous two drafts.

"Plutnar has good skating ability and an NHL-calibre shot, but he will likely need at least a couple years of development before he's ready for the NHL. The biggest area in which he needs to improve is moving the puck," said one of the scouts we talked to from NHL Central Scouting Services.

Columbus followed up that selection with another overaged defenseman, Dominic Talbot-Tassi from the Sherbrooke Phoenix of the QMJHL. The 20-year-old diminutive defender stands 5'8" and tips the scales at 175 lbs. The Laval, Quebec native is labeled as an offensive defenseman who moves the puck well and uses his hockey sense to make creative plays.

Nikolai Goncharov, the gargantuan Russian goaltender, was the first overall pick of the Edmonton Oilers courtesy of the Boston Bruins in the Ryan Smyth trade at last year's draft. This event marks the first time in over a decade that a goaltender was selected first overall with the previous first overall goalie being Marc-Andre Fleury in the 2003 draft. Goncharov is expected to be the "missing" link for the Oilers, who have drafted lots of high-end forward and defensive talent, but were lacking between the pipes.

The blunder of the day on the draft floor went to Jay Feaster, who went off the board in typical Feaster fashion to select rugged Austrian defenseman Matthew Cochrane. Critics slammed Feaster for the decision as Sam Reinhart, a player who many felt should have gone first overall, was still available. Time will tell if it was the right decision to make, but Flames fans and the Calgary media alike are going to be roasting Feaster over this decision for the forseeable future.

2014 First Round Draft Board
PICKTEAM (FROM)PLAYERPLAYER TYPEPOSITIONOVERALLAGEHEIGHT & WEIGHTPOTENTIAL
1Edmonton (from BOS)Nikolai GoncharovHybridGoaltender72 OVR186'7" 220 lbs4.5 Green Stars
2AnaheimAaron EkbladTwo-Way DefensemanRight Defense78 OVR186'4" 213 lbs4.5 Yellow Stars
3CalgaryMatthew CochraneTough GuyLeft Defense56 OVR196'1" 219 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
4OttawaSam ReinhartPlaymakerCenter65 OVR186'3" 182 lbs4.5 Yellow Stars
5Carolina (from STL)Keegan KanzigDefensive DefensemanLeft Defense57 OVR196'5" 230 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
6Tampa BayStanley RedmondButterflyGoaltender57 OVR196'5" 214 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
7DallasTyson BailliePlaymakerCenter53 OVR186'0" 194 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
8EdmontonJonathan DeschampsTwo-Way DefensemanLeft Defense52 OVR186'2" 178 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
9WinnipegNick RitchiePower ForwardLeft Wing54 OVR186'2" 209 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
10Winnipeg (from WSH)Brandon RobinsonTwo-Way ForwardLeft Wing53 OVR186'3" 202 lbs3.5 Green Stars
11Boston (from LAK)Devin WilliamsHybridGoaltender51 OVR186'0" 163 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
12PhoenixTanner KovacsHybridGoaltender50 OVR206'2" 180 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
13New JerseyJoe HickettsOffensive DefensemanLeft Defense44 OVR185'10" 183 lbs4.0 Yellow Stars
14NY IslandersLuke MessierPower ForwardRight Wing66 OVR206'5" 240 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
15ChicagoNathan HowesPlaymakerCenter70 OVR196'4" 204 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
16ColumbusMichal PlutnarTwo-Way DefensemanRight Defense62 OVR206'2" 182 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
17NY RangersKip ElyniukTwo-Way ForwardRight Wing62 OVR185'11" 185 lbs3.5 Red Stars
18Dallas (from FLA)Fredrik ErikssonPower ForwardRight Wing61 OVR196'3" 233 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
19MontrealRaimo BlomdahlDefensive DefensemanLeft Defense60 OVR186'8" 229 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
20VancouverYury ZharkovSniperLeft Wing58 OVR196'0" 189 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
21PhiladelphiaRoss GodfreyDefensive DefensemanLeft Defense61 OVR196'6" 222 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
22BuffaloBoris ShirokovTwo-Way ForwardCenter59 OVR195'11" 193 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
23DetroitNikolai LisinPlaymakerLeft Wing59 OVR195'11" 182 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
24New Jersey (from COL)Dimitri KapitanovTwo-Way ForwardLeft Wing59 OVR196'4" 213 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
25NashvilleLars BergqvistPlaymakerLeft Wing57 OVR186'2" 201 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
26TorontoAlexandre SillsTwo-Way ForwardCenter59 OVR196'2" 177 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
27Nashville (from SJS)Josh LowePower ForwardLeft Wing59 OVR196'0" 217 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
28St. Louis (from PIT)Shayne GwinnerTwo-Way DefensemanRight Defense68 OVR206'2" 179 lbs3.0 Yellow Stars
29CarolinaOrlando KlemmPower ForwardLeft Wing58 OVR186'2" 218 lbs2.5 Yellow Stars
30MinnesotaWalter WeinrichSniperLeft Wing59 OVR186'2" 203 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
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46ColumbusDominic Talbot-TassiOffensive DefensemanLeft Defense54 OVR205'8" 175 lbs3.5 Yellow Stars
76ColumbusRobinson KrogSniperCenter58 OVR185'10" 171 lbs2.5 Yellow Stars
106ColumbusTomas TorokPlaymakerLeft Wing54 OVR196'2" 183 lbs2.5 Yellow Stars
136ColumbusAlex DubeauHybridGoaltender53 OVR195'11" 163 lbs2.5 Yellow Stars
166ColumbusSpencer TurcottePower ForwardRight Wing53 OVR206'3" 206 lbs2.0 Yellow Stars
196ColumbusBrandon MageePlaymakerCenter52 OVR205'8" 175 lbs2.5 Yellow Stars


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Andy Greene Joins the Habs for 2013-14



The Montreal Canadiens made the biggest splash in free agency this summer, signing Andy Greene to a 3 year contract, worth a total of $16.8 million. It was a somewhat disappointing offseason - for everyone but Ducks and Canucks fans. Players like Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, and Alex Edler were all rumored to test the free agent market - especially Edler. However, they all resigned with their respected teams, leaving Andy Greene as the top UFA.

The Habs have got a couple other new faces this year: rookie Alex Galchenyuk will make his NHL debut, as will Jared Tinordi. Gustav Nyquist will also play his first full season in the NHL. Here is what Montreal's roster will look like this season:

Pacioretty (84) - Galchenyuk (83) - Gionta (83)
Nyquist (78) - Plekanec (86) - Bourque (84)
Cole (84) - Eller (82) - Armstrong (78)
Prust (77) - White (75) - Moen (77)

Greene (84) - Subban (87)
Kaberle (83) - Gorges (83)
Tinordi (77) - Weber (76)

Price (88)
Budaj (75)

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Why is yakupov not on the oilers and Sven betsuchi isn't on flames? Someone help haha

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Why is yakupov not on the oilers and Sven betsuchi isn't on flames? Someone help haha
1) Because they don't have the rights to the KHL. Yak was previously covered under CHL licensing, but not anymore since he went overseas.
2) Because they need to get different licensing when a player switches from the CHL to the pros. Every team is missing this year's junior graduates (ie: Beaulieu (sp?), Pysyk, Baertschi, etc.)

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The Real Season
The Edmonton Oilers have finally returned to the post-season, with a joint effort by the tandem of Devan Dubnyk and Atte Engren.

2013-2014
Record: 49 W - 26 L - 7 OTL - 105 PTS
Goals for: 225
Goals against: 203
Playoffs: Defeated in the 1st round by Vancouver Canucks

Starting Lineup
Taylor Hall [A] - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Jordan Eberle
Magnus Paajarvi - Sam Gagner - Nail Yakupov
Curtis Glencross - Shawn Horcoff [C] - Ryan Jones
Teemu Hartikainen - Chris Kelly - Dominic Moore

Ryan Whitney [A] - Jeff Petry
Nick Schultz - Justin Schultz
Ladislav Smid - Oscar Klefbom

Devan Dubnyk
Atte Engren

Free Agent Signings:
G Atte Engren
LW Curtis Glencross
C Chris Kelly
C Dominic Moore
D Mikko Kousa
LW Garrett Wilson
LW Charles Hudon
D Keegan Lowe
RW John Westin

In the middle of November, rugged defenceman Theo Peckham's rights and enigmatic sniper Nikita Filatov to the Devils, who were second only to the Penguins in the Atlantic division, were looking for NHL-ready players, and gave up their first round pick in the upcoming draft.

During the draft, Oilers captain Shawn Horcoff was traded in an unbelievable move. Albertan rival the Calgary Flames asked Tambellini for Horcoff, offering draft picks for the future. The move was considered bittersweet by fans, as they were able to move the aging Horcoff's expensive contract. There were rumours that the captain was being shopped by Tambellini during the season, but there were no biters. Fans are both elated and irritated that Horcoff will still be seen often.

2014 NHL Entry Draft
TWD Aaron Ekblad - 1st round (1) Exceptional Player is expected to step in sooner rather than later, plays in all situations and is a clutch skater.
PLY Manuel Knutsen - 1st round (21) German passer is slightly smaller at 5'10", 176lbs, but has above-average skating.

HYB Jackson Whistle - 2nd round (51) Playing for his hometown team, the Kelowna Rockets, Whistle's athleticism is his greatest strength, but will continue to work on stick play.
TWF Daniel Asham - 2nd round (52) Centreman has exceptional defensive abilities for his age, but his skating is average at best and could take advantage of his size more often.

PLY Austin Vetterl - 3rd round (75) 20-year old is a project, but has the potential to be a second-line playmaker.
TWF Jeremy Gregoire - 3rd round (81) Big centre is a fluid skater, but could use work elsewhere. Has the size to compete.

Awards
Stanley Cup: Buffalo Sabres
Calder Cup: Oklahoma City Barons
President's Trophy: Buffalo Sabres
Clarence S. Campbell Bowl: Calgary Flames
Prince of Wales Trophy: Buffalo Sabres
Art Ross Trophy: Sidney Crosby (PIT)
Hart Memorial Trophy: Alexander Ovechkin (WSH)
James Norris Memorial Trophy: Joni Pitkanen (CAR)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy: Alexander Semin (CAR)
Calder Memorial Trophy: Mike Matheson (FLA)
Conn Smythe Trophy: Ryan Miller (BUF)
Vezina Trophy: Pekka Rinne (NSH)
William M. Jennings Trophy: Miika Kiprusoff/Leland Irving (CGY)
Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy: Mattias Ohlund (NYR)
Frank J. Selke Trophy: Pavel Datsyuk (DET)
Ted Lindsay Award: Pekka Rinne (NSH)
Maurice Richard Trophy: Alexander Ovechkin (WSH)

2013-2014 Summary
This was the year of surprises, for not only the Oilers but the rest of the NHL. Atte Engren has posted amazing numbers, going 16-5, with a 2.04 GAA and .928 SV%, as well as 4 shutouts.

With New Jersey's first rounder, which ended up as the first overall draft pick, Edmonton selected former Barrie Colts defender Aaron Ekblad. The 6'3", 214lbs, two-way defenceman is the second player to have been granted Exceptional Player status, following John Tavares and prior to Connor McDavid. Many had expected that Sam Reinhart's strong season with the Kootenay Ice had warranted him being selected number one, but the Oilers believed that Ekblad would be better for the Oilers in the long run.

While the Oilers couldn't make it past the first round, the Barons captured their second consecutive Calder Cup. The Sabres and Lindy Ruff finally vanquished the ghosts of 1999, winning the Stanley Cup. Joni Pitkanen is the first Finnish defenceman to win the Norris, and he did so back-to-back, the first player to do so since Lidstrom. Mike Matheson of the Panthers put up 14G-30A-44P and was a plus 5, the first defenceman to win the Calder since Myers did so in the 2009-2010 season. Pekka Rinne finally wins the Vezina, and takes the Ted Lindsay with him. Ovechkin and Datsyuk repeat their trophy wins.

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In my Toronto franchise I'm doing well playing every game current record 21-1-5
Was wondering who are some good players with low trade value? For either second or first line rather then getting Hopkins already

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I just started a GM mode with Phoenix, latest rosters and all, and I just noticed I don't have Gormley.

What in the hell is that about.

Edit: Nevermind.

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Blockbuster trade on the Eve of the season

In a trade that has been rumored for a year the Penguins and Avalanche have finally pulled off their much rumored Matt Duchene deal. The trade sent Duchene, Douglas Murray, and Colorado's 3rd round pick in the upcoming 2016 draft. Going the other way to Colorado are Andrej Meszaros, David Legwand and top defensive prospect Louis Desbiens. After being eliminated in the 2nd round for two straight seasons the Penguins finally pulled off the deal that gets them the top 6 forward they needed. Pittsburgh GM Ray Shero had this to say on the trade "Duchene provides us with tremendous speed, a fantastic shot and excellent play making abilities. He is the elite talent we have wanted to go along with Geno and Neal on our 2nd line for a while now. It was tough trading Meszaros after a really good season for him but we have enough organizational depth to replace him. We would also like to thank David Legwand for his time here in Pittsburgh and all he has done for the organization and the community." The Pens now have a number of offensive threats in their top 6 and look to win the Stanley Cup for the 1st time in 8 years.

2015-2016 roster

W.Karlsson (81) Crosby (95) Gaborik (89)
Neal (84) Malkin (92) Duchene (85)
Raymond (79) Sutter (83) Bennett (76)
Pelsonen (78) Gillies (79) Tootoo (76)

Giordano (84) Letang (90)
Despres (81) Raycroft (82)
Dumoulin (80) Murray (80)
Campoli (77)

Fleury (87)
Engstrand (81)


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I haven't gotten NHL 13, but I still play NHL 12 from time to time.

I'm in the year 2029 with the New Orleans Condors, I replaced the Florida Panthers in the SE division. For the first 10 or so years I only made the playoffs twice, but with some awesome young players stepping up and good goaltending I won my first cup!

Anyways I might update my team full on now that I'm nearing the end of my career. I've retooled a bit and most of my core players are gone, and now I've gotten a mostly young line-up and struggling quite a bit. Hopefully my youthful core led by lifetime Condors William Carrier and Jason Marchant (Goalie I picked 3rd overall in 2015 I think, 1 vezina and 2 Jennings) can make it the playoffs and grind their way to a cup.

I'll update with the stats from past seasons, I think I had somewhat of a dynasty as I won back to back cups and Presidents Trophies, and 4 straight 50+ win seasons. I also just lost in the Stanley Cup finals. So that's 3 cup finals in 5 years. And this was all on Hard mode.

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2014 Columbus Blue Jackets Offseason
PLAYERTERMCAP HITTOTAL VALUE
Derick Brassard4 years$3.750M$15.000M
Sergei Bobrovsky3 years$4.150M$12.450M
Cam Atkinson3 years$3.300M$9.900M
Steve Mason2 years$4.550M$9.100M
Cody Goloubef2 years$3.950M$7.900M
Colton Gillies2 years$2.300M$4.600M
Nikita Nikitin2 years$1.650M$3.300M
Oscar Dansk3 years ELC$0.835M$2.505M
Ryan Johansen1 year$1.945M$1.945M
Tim Erixon1 year$1.750M$1.750M
Josh Anderson3 years ELC$0.525M$1.575M
Gianluca Curcuruto3 years ELC$0.525M$1.575M
Matt Calvert1 year$1.400M$1.400M
Tomas Kubalik1 year$1.350M$1.350M
Allen York1 year$1.075M$1.075M
Maksim Mayorov1 year$1.030M$1.030M
David Savard1 year$0.920M$0.920M
John Moore1 year$0.890M$0.890M
Derek Dorsett1 year$0.830M$0.830M
Theo Ruth1 year$0.830M$0.830M
Curtis McElhinney1 year$0.715M$0.715M
Dalton Prout1 year$0.715M$0.715M
Anton Blomqvist1 year$0.700M$0.700M
Mark Letestu1 year$0.700M$0.700M
Nick Holden1 year$0.615M$0.615M
Derek Mackenzie1 year$0.595M$0.595M
Cody Bass1 year$0.525M$0.525M
Nick Drazenovic1 year$0.525M$0.525M
Andrew Joudrey1 year$0.525M$0.525M
Ryan Russell1 year$0.525M$0.525M

2014 Top 10 Free Agent Signings
RANKTEAMPLAYERTERMCAP HITTOTAL VALUE
1VancouverDaniel Sedin7 years$9.020M$63.140M
2NashvilleJoni Pitkanen2 years$6.935M$13.870M
3CalgaryAndrej Meszaros2 years$6.010M$12.020M
4CalgaryBrad Stuart2 years$4.805M$9.610M
5WashingtonAlexander Steen3 years$3.115M$9.345M
6OttawaBrooks Orpik2 years$4.665M$9.330M
7WinnipegJoonas Lehtivuori2 years$4.360M$8.720M
8ChicagoKristofer Berglund3 years$2.875M$8.625M
9MontrealRadim Vrbata2 years$4.255M$8.510M
10WashingtonMatt Read3 years$2.820M$8.460M

2014 Offseason Trades

To NJD:
C Nazem Kadri

To TOR:
2015 3rd Round Pick (NJD)


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Who do you think has the best chance at the Stanley Cup this season?

P.S. I turn off injuries during the pre-season, so there are currently no injured players.

2014-2015 NHL STARTING LINE-UPS

COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS
R. Umberger (TWF 82)D. Brassard (PLY 83)C. Atkinson (SNP 82)
N. Foligno (TWF 81)B. Dubinsky (TWF 81)T. Kubalik (SNP 80)
M. Calvert (SNP 79)A. Anisimov (PLY 81)R. Johansen (PLY 78)
M. Mayorov (PLY 77)C. Gillies (GRN 81)D. Dorsett (GRN 76)
J. Johnson (OFD 85)J. Wisniewski (OFD 86)
F. Tyutin (TWD 83)C. Goloubef (TWD 83)
R. Murray (TWD 81)D. Savard (OFD 79)
S. Bobrovsky (HYB 84)
S. Mason (HYB 84)

ANAHEIM DUCKS
B. Ryan (PWF 85)R. Getzlaf (PWF 89)C. Perry (TWF 89)
M. Beleskey (GRN 81)A. Cogliano (TWF 84)P. Maroon (PWF 80)
T. Galiardi (TWF 78)N. Bonino (TWF 83)D. Smith-Pelly (PWF 77)
S. Monahan (TWF 72)B. McMillan (TWF 80)E. Etem (SNP 71)
F. Beauchemin (TWD 86)C. Fowler (OFD 85)
K. Cumiskey (OFD 81)S. Vatanen (OFD 81)
L. Sbisa (TWD 81)M. Carle (OFD 80)
J. Hiller (HYB 83)
J. Labarbera (HYB 79)

BOSTON BRUINS
B. Marchand (TWF 83)P. Bergeron (TWF 85)C. Camper (PLY 82)
J. Schwartz (PLY 80)T. Seguin (PLY 85)M. Lucic (PWF 83)
E. Poysti (GRN 80)D. Krejci (PLY 84)J. Caron (PWF 79)
C. Kelly (GRN 77)R. Peverley (TWF 81)D. Zubrus (TWF 77)
M. Bartkowski (TWD 82)D. Hamilton (TWD 84)
J. Boychuk (DFD 81)K. Miller (TWD 82)
T. Krug (OFD 76)C. Cohen (DFD 77)
T. Rask (HYB 84)
M. Hutchinson (HYB 75)

BUFFALO SABRES
T. Vanek (SNP 86)C. Hodgson (PLY 82)J. Pominville (PLY 86)
N. Gerbe (PLY 83)V. Leino (TWF 80)T. Ennis (SNP 83)
D. Stafford (TWF 81)Z. Hamill (PLY 78)N. Horton (PWF 86)
J. Lagace (TWF 78)L. Adam (TWF 78)B. Butler (SNP 77)
C. Ehrhoff (OFD 87)T. Myers (TWD 87)
M. Weber (DFD 83)T. Brennan (TWD 82)
J. Finley (DFD 79)A. Sekera (DFD 79)
R. Miller (HYB 88)
J. Enroth (HYB 80)

CALGARY FLAMES
A. Tanguay (PLY 83)M. Cammalleri (SNP 85)S. Baertschi (SNP 79)
L. Stempniak (TWF 80)M. Backlund (PLY 83)G. Nemisz (PWF 81)
C. Glencross (TWF 80)M. Reinhart (TWF 81)P. Dupuis (TWF 80)
M. Ferland (PWF 77)L. Bouma (GRN 78)J. Hudler (SNP 80)
M. Giordano (OFD 87)D. Wideman (OFD 87)
A. Meszaros (TWD 85)J. Bouwmeester (TWD 85)
B. Stuart (DFD 84)T. Brodie (OFD 81)
L. Irving (HYB 84)
J. Ortio (BUT 67)

CAROLINA HURRICANES
J. Jokinen (SNP 84)E. Staal (PLY 89)A. Semin (SNP 85)
C. Terry (PLY 80)J. Skinner (SNP 85)D. Bowman (SNP 79)
O. Osala (TWF 79)J. Staal (TWF 83)J. Samson (SNP 79)
J. Welsh (SNP 78)T. Ruutu (TWF 81)Z. Boychuk (TWF 79)
B. Sanguinetti (TWD 83)J. McBain (OFD 87)
T. Gleason (DFD 81)J. Faulk (TWD 83)
J. Harrison (DFD 77)B. Schmitz (OFD 67)
C. Ward (HYB 83)
M. Murphy (HYB 81)

CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
M. Hossa (TWF 88)J. Toews (PLY 89)P. Kane (SNP 89)
P. Sharp (TWF 86)D. Bolland (TWF 81)M. Frolik (SNP 86)
B. Smith (SNP 80)B. Froese (TWF 79)J. Hayes (PWF 80)
J. Hecht (TWF 78)C. Wellman (TWF 78)M. Kruger (TWF 78)
D. Keith (OFD 90)B. Seabrook (DFD 89)
N. Leddy (OFD 81)J Corvo (OFD 84)
K. Berglund (OFD 80)N. Hjalmarsson (DFD 80)
C. Crawford (HYB 82)
R. Emery (HYB 79)

COLORADO AVALANCHE
M. Connolly (PLY 81)M. Duchene (PLY 89)P. Parenteau (PLY 84)
G. Landeskog (PWF 85)P. Stastny (PLY 86)A. Kostitsyn (SNP 80)
J. McGinn (TWF 80)B. Malone (TWF 81)J. Arniel (TWF 80)
B. Morrow (PWF 79)R. O'Reilly (TWF 79)B. Comeau (TWF 78)
J. Holos (OFD 86)E. Johnson (DFD 89)
C. Gaunce (TWD 78)S. Elliott (TWD 81)
R. Wilson (DFD 78)T. Barrie (TWD 78)
S. Varlamov (HYB 89)
J. Giguere (BUT 79)

DALLAS STARS
L. Eriksson (SNP 88)D. Roy (PLY 84)J. Benn (SNP 83)
C. Sceviour (TWF 79)P. Lindgren (PLY 82)M. Ryder (SNP 80)
M. Fraser (PWF 76)M. Malhotra (GRN 76)S. Glennie (TWF 73)
C. Eakin (TWF 75)M. Tousignant (TWF 75)A. Murray (GRN 72)
A. Goligosky (OFD 86)T. Daley (DFD 85)
R. Scuderi (DFD 79)P. Larsen (TWD 82)
B. Dillon (TWD 76)A. Rome (DFD 74)
K. Lehtonen (HYB 83)
M. Lagace (HYB 74)

DETROIT RED WINGS
H. Zetterberg (PLY 89)P. Datsyuk (PLY 89)J. Franzen (PWF 85)
R. Callahan (GRN 82)C. Emmerton (PLY 79)F. Pare (PLY 80)
R. Talaja (TWF 78)J. Andersson (TWF 79)D. Penner (PWF 79)
J. Abdelkader (PWF 74)D. Helm (TWF 76)T. Pulkkinen (SNP 72)
N. Kronwall (TWD 87)I. White (TWD 85)
K. Quincey (TWD 85)B. Smith (TWD 85)
C. Colaiacovo (TWD 79)M. Jurcina (DFD 78)
J. Howard (HYB 87)
T. McCollum (HYB 77)

EDMONTON OILERS
N. Yakupov (PLY 83)R. Nugent-Hopkins (PLY 89)J. Eberle (SNP 89)
T. Hall (SNP 84)S. Gagner (PLY 84)A. Hemsky (PLY 84)
M. Kempe (GRN 79)A. Lander (TWF 79)S. Downie (GRN 80)
M. Paajarvi (TWF 79)T. Hartikainen (GRN 79)N. Petersen (TWF 78)
R. Whitney (OFD 86)J. Petry (TWD 84)
T. Peckham (DFD 80)L. Smid (DFD 80)
C. Potter (TWD 77)A. Plante (DFD 79)
T. Bunz (HYB 81)
D. Dubnyk (HYB 80)

FLORIDA PANTHERS
T. Fleischmann (PLY 83)P. Mueller (PLY 89)K. Versteeg (SNP 82)
D. Cleary (TWF 80)V. Filppula (PLY 84)M. Repik (TWF 81)
S. Upshall (TWF 79)S. Weiss (PLY 84)S. Bergenheim (TWF 77)
M. Lombardi (TWF 80)S. Matthias (PWF 78)T. Kopecky (TWF 77)
B. Campbell (OFD 87)E. Jovanovski (OFD 84)
F. Kuba (TWD 84)D. Kulikov (TWD 83)
K. Ellerby (TWD 80)E. Gudbranson (DFD 82)
R. Bachman (HYB 82)
J. Markstrom (HYB 82)

LOS ANGELES KINGS
J. Williams (SNP 84)A. Kopitar (PLY 89)O. Moller (TWF 85)
S. Gagne (TWF 83)J. Carter (SNP 85)D. Brown (PWF 83)
D. King (GRN 77)M. Richards (TWF 84)A. Loktionov (PLY 81)
J. Stoll (TWF 79)J. Nolan (GRN 78)J. Azevedo (PLY 77)
D. Seidenberg (DFD 87)D. Doughty (OFD 89)
A. Martinez (TWD 84)S. Voynov (TWD 84)
J. Muzzin (DFD 83)A. Stralman (OFD 79)
J. Quick (HYB 92)
J. Bernier (HYB 83)

MINNESOTA WILD
Z. Parise (PLY 87)M. Koivu (PLY 87)D. Heatley (SNP 86)
N. Palmieri (PWF 82)P. Bouchard (PLY 82)D. Setoguchi (SNP 81)
C. Clutterbuck (GRN 78)M. Cullen (TWF 80)J. Fontaine (SNP 79)
M. Granlund (PLY 79)K. Brodziak (GRN 79)C. McMillan (GRN 78)
R. Suter (TWD 88)T. Gilbert (TWD 85)
M. Scandella (DFD 82)J. Spurgeon (OFD 80)
O. Eklund (OFD 80)J. Falk (DFD 80)
N. Backstrom (HYB 81)
M. Hackett (HYB 78)

MONTREAL CANADIENS
M. Pacioretty (PWF 84)T. Plekanec (PLY 84)R. Vrbata (SNP 83)
A. Frolov (SNP 80)L. Leblanc (PLY 83)B. Gionta (SNP 81)
E. Cole (PWF 81)L. Eller (PLY 83)R. Bourque (TWF 80)
B. Prust (TGH 75)A. Engqvist (TWF 79)A. Palushaj (TWF 78)
A. Markov (OFD 86)P. Subban (TWD 87)
J. Gorges (DFD 81)Y. Weber (OFD 82)
J. Tinordi (DFD 80)M. Hunwick (TWD 77)
C. Price (HYB 88)
D. Ellis (HYB 78)

NASHVILLE PREDATORS
S. Kostitsyn (SNP 81)C. Wilson (PWF 84)M. Erat (TWF 85)
P. Hornqvist (SNP 81)C. Smith (TWF 80)A. Radulov (SNP 84)
G. Bourque (PLY 78)D. Legwand (PLY 81)J. Puustinen (SNP 79)
A. Watson (TWF 72)J. Tootoo (GRN 77)M. Halischuk (TWF 78)
J. Pitkanen (OFD 87)S. Weber (DFD 91)
R. Josi (TWD 85)J. Blum (OFD 84)
K. Klein (DFD 81)T. Laakso (DFD 84)
P. Rinne (HYB 90)
J. Smith (HYB 79)

NEW JERSEY DEVILS
I. Kovalchuk (SNP 89)T. Zajac (PLY 84)M. Tedenby (PLY 81)
H. Pesonen (SNP 79)A. Henrique (TWF 84)M. Sislo (SNP 78)
M. Hoeffel (PWF 78)G. Nyquist (PLY 80)D. Clarkson (GRN 78)
N. Kadri (PLY 80)J. Hodgman (TWF 79)V. Zharkov (TWF 78)
A. Greene (TWD 86)M. Zidlicky (OFD 84)
B. Burlon (TWD 80)A. Larsson (TWD 80)
H. Tallinder (DFD 80)L. Pyett (TWD 79)
J. Hudacek (BUT 80)
K. Kinkaid (BUT 73)

NEW YORK ISLANDERS
D. Ullstrom (PLY 84)J. Tavares (SNP 88)K. Okposo (PWF 87)
M. Moulson (SNP 83)J. Dibenedetto (TWF 80)M. Grabner (SNP 83)
M. Martin (GRN 81)F. Nielsen (PLY 80)R. Rakhshani (TWF 83)
A. Miettinen (TWF 78)C. Cizikas (TWF 79)B. Boyes (SNP 80)
L. Visnovsky (OFD 88)M. Streit (OFD 87)
A. Macdonald (TWD 84)T. Hamonic (DFD 82)
M. Donovan (TWD 81)C. Campoli (OFD 79)
M. Koskinen (BUT 84)
B. Stone (HYB 51)

NEW YORK RANGERS
R. Nash (PWF 86)B. Richards (PLY 90)M. Gaborik (SNP 87)
C. Kreider (PWF 86)D. Stepan (PLY 82)C. Hagelin (PLY 84)
J. Miller (TWF 78)B. Boyle (PWF 76)J. Fasth (TWF 79)
B. Ranford (TWF 78)T. Pyatt (PWF 76)C. Thomas (SNP 70)
R. McDonagh (TWD 87)D. Girardi (DFD 89)
M. Staal (DFD 85)M. Del Zotto (OFD 84)
B. Parlett (TWD 78)M. Sauer (DFD 81)
H. Lundqvist (HYB 92)
M. Biron (HYB 78)

OTTAWA SENATORS
J. Neal (PWF 85)J. Spezza (PLY 90)M. Michalek (SNP 81)
N. Filatov (SNP 79)K. Turris (PLY 82)G. Latendresse (PWF 80)
C. Greening (TWF 78)J. O'Brien (TWF 79)E. Condra (TWF 76)
M. Zibanejad (TWF 78)Z. Smith (GRN 77)M. Hoffman (PLY 76)
I. Cole (TWD 85)E. Karlsson (OFD 87)
B. Orpik (DFD 82)M. Borowiecki (TWD 81)
J. Cowen (DFD 80)E. Gryba (DFD 79)
C. Anderson (HYB 84)
R. Lehner (HYB 82)

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
J. Voracek (SNP 85)L. Pither (PLY 82)C. Giroux (PLY 89)
S. Hartnell (PWF 82)B. Schenn (TWF 82)D. Briere (PLY 87)
J. Akeson (PLY 78)N. Antropov (PLY 82)W. Simmonds (TWF 80)
S. Couturier (TWF 79)D. Langkow (TWF 78)B. Trotter (SNP 79)
C. Pronger (DFD 88)L. Schenn (DFD 84)
B. Coburn (DFD 83)E. Gustafsson (OFD 81)
B. Manning (TWD 78)M. Bourdon (TWD 78)
I. Bryzgalov (HYB 86)
N. Hovinen (BUT 82)

PHOENIX COYOTES
M. Boedker (SNP 81)A. Vermette (TWF 81)B. Holloway (TWF 79)
N. Dawes (SNP 77)A. Miele (PLY 79)J. Szwarz (TWF 79)
L. Korpikoski (TWF 77)T. Kennedy (TWF 79)C. Armstrong (GRN 77)
V. Ruzicka (PLY 77)M. Hanzal (TWF 79)D. Moss (TWF 77)
O. Ekman-Larsson (OFD 87)K. Yandle (OFD 85)
B. Gormley (TWD 84)D. Rundbland (OFD 82)
D. Morris (DFD 80)Z. Michalek (DFD 82)
M. Smith (HYB 85)
M. Leighton (HYB 78)

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
W. Wolski (SNP 82)S. Crosby (PLY 99)C. Kunitz (TWF 84)
E. Tangradi (PWF 81)E. Malkin (PLY 94)S. Doan (PWF 83)
P. Thompson (TWF 79)B. Sutter (TWF 84)K. Daugavins (TWF 78)
T. Marcinko (GRN 77)R. Holzapfel (TWF 79)A. Stewart (PWF 77)
P. Martin (DFD 85)K. Letang (TWD 89)
B. Strait (TWD 82)R. Martinek (DFD 80)
M. Niskanen (TWD 77)R. Bortuzzo (DFD 79)
M. Fleury (HYB 85)
B. Burke (HYB 61)

SAN JOSE SHARKS
P. Marleau (SNP 87)J. Thornton (PLY 89)M. Havlat (SNP 85)
R. Clowe (PWF 84)J. Pavelski (TWF 86)L. Couture (PLY 84)
B. Mashinter (GRN 75)J. Sheppard (TWF 83)T. Wingels (TWF 80)
T. Hertl (TWF 66)F. Hamilton (TWF 70)A. Burish (GRN 74)
D. Boyle (OFD 86)B. Burns (TWD 86)
M. Vlasic (DFD 85)J. Demers (TWD 83)
S. O'Brien (DFD 78)M. Pelech (DFD 79)
A. Niemi (HYB 87)
A. Stalock (HYB 83)

ST. LOUIS BLUES
D. Perron (PLY 82)P. Berglund (PLY 84)J. Iginla (PWF 86)
T. Oshie (TWF 82)D. Backes (PWF 83)C. Stewart (PWF 86)
T. Shattock (TWF 75)M. Savard (PLY 79)M. D'Agostini (SNP 76)
B. Sonne (TWF 78)P. McRae (PWF 77)E. Grachev (PLY 77)
K. Shattenkirk (TWD 85)A. Pietrangelo (TWD 86)
C. Fairchild (TWD 84)D. Shields (DFD 81)
K. Russell (OFD 79)R. Polak (DFD 79)
J. Halak (HYB 86)
B. Elliott (HYB 83)

TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING
A. McDonald (PLY 86)S. Stamkos (SNP 92)R. Malone (PWF 82)
C. Conacher (PLY 78)V. Lecavalier (PLY 86)T. Purcell (PLY 81)
V. Sobotka (TWF 80)D. Tyrell (TWF 84)C. Higgins (SNP 78)
B. Pouliot (PWF 77)V. Namestnikov (PLY 69)D. Gauthier (GRN 69)
V. Hedman (DFD 89)M. Carle (TWD 86)
E. Brewer (DFD 82)M. Taormina (OFD 80)
M. Barberio (OFD 80)B. Mikkelson (TWD 79)
R. Helenius (BUT 82)
J. Riley (HYB 81)

TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
J. Lupul (SNP 87)T. Connolly (PLY 83)P. Kessel (SNP 87)
J. Van Riemsdyk (PWF 85)T. Bozak (PLY 80)M. Frattin (TWF 84)
C. Macarthur (TWF 81)M. Mueller (PWF 82)N. Zherdev (SNP 78)
M. Handzus (TWF 78)J. Colborne (PWF 80)V. Stalberg (PWF 78)
D. Phaneuf (TWD 88)C. Franson (OFD 85)
J. Liles (OFD 85)J. Gardiner (TWD 84)
C. Gunnarsson (DFD 81)J. Mikus (TWD 79)
J. Reimer (HYB 85)
T. Greiss (BUT 78)

VANCOUVER CANUCKS
D. Sedin (SNP 93)H. Sedin (PLY 93)A. Burrows (TWF 83)
M. Raymond (SNP 79)R. Kesler (TWF 85)D. Booth (PWF 79)
D. Weise (TWF 76)K. Wellwood (PLY 79)Z. Kassian (PWF 77)
K. Tochkin (PLY 68)J. Schroeder (PLY 76)A. Rodin (TWF 74)
A. Edler (TWD 89)K. Bieksa (DFD 88)
D. Hamhuis (TWD 86)J. Garrison (TWD 85)
K. Connauton (OFD 80)C. Tanev (TWD 78)
R. Luongo (BUT 88)
C. Schneider (HYB 83)

WASHINGTON CAPITALS
A. Ovechkin (SNP 92)N. Backstrom (PLY 90)M. Read (SNP 80)
A. Steen (TWF 81)M. Ribeiro (PLY 87)J. Mursak (SNP 77)
D. Jeffrey (TWF 77)M. Johansson (TWF 82)T. Brouwer (GRN 78)
N. Johnson (GRN 75)B. Laich (TWF 81)T. Hunter (TWF 76)
J. Carlson (TWD 87)M. Green (OFD 90)
R. Hainsey (TWD 82)K. Alzner (DFD 81)
K. Marshall (DFD 80)D. Orlov (OFD 79)
B. Holtby (HYB 84)
M. Neuvirth (HYB 81)

WINNIPEG JETS
E. Kane (SNP 85)O. Jokinen (PWF 84)J. Gregoire (SNP 80)
S. Hjalmarsson (TWF 79)B. Little (PLY 84)B. Wheeler (PWF 82)
A. Ladd (PWF 81)M. Scheifele (PLY 81)N. Bergfors (SNP 80)
A. Johansson (TWF 79)M. Macenauer (TWF 80)S. Machacek (TWF 78)
T. Enstrom (OFD 86)Z. Bogosian (TWD 86)
J. Leopold (TWD 84)D. Byfuglien (TWD 85)
J. Lehtivuori (OFD 81)P. Postma (OFD 82)
O. Pavelec (HYB 83)
D. Dubyk (HYB 63)

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Who do you think has the best chance at the Stanley Cup this season?

P.S. I turn off injuries during the pre-season, so there are currently no injured players.
One of Chicago, Colorado, New York(rangers) or Detroit. Crosby at 99 overall is scary, did you edit him to 99 or change the potential?

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Blackhawks, Red Wings, Predators, Rangers, Sharks, or Canucks IMO.

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Just started a be a gm with the panthers made this trade

To FLA:
Galchenyuk

To MTL
1st round pick 2013
S. Mattias

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2014 Columbus Blue Jackets Offseason
PLAYERTERMCAP HITTOTAL VALUE
Sergei Bobrovsky3 years$4.150M$12.450M
Steve Mason2 years$4.550M$9.100M
Colton Gillies2 years$2.300M$4.600M
Allen York1 year$1.075M$1.075M
Curtis McElhinney1 year$0.715M$0.715M
You have a ton of money locked up in goaltenders! 8.7 for your tandem!
I like to have a 4 mill guy (85 overall) backed up by a 1 mill guy (78-80 overall).

And 2.3 for your 4th line centre! How is your cap space?

I am cheap. I admit it.

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Top contenders:

West --> Avalanche, Predators, Canucks
East --> Jets, Rangers, Penguins

Finalists:
Predators vs Rangers

Winner:
Predators

Not a fan, but their D depth is insane, Rinne is a beast, and for some reason they sim really well even though their forwards are crap.
I would prefer Canucks over Jets, but the Canucks choke...

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I will update on my Canadiens GM today! Was really busy yesterday so I haven't started simulating the season yet.

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Alex Galchenyuk Makes the 2014 All Star Game


In a 4-1 victory over the Anaheim Ducks, rookie forward Alex Galchenyuk displays one of his usual flashy celebrations after
sniping his second goal of the night past Jonas Hiller.


Based off of their performance last year, most people didn't expect the Montreal Canadiens to ever be in a playoff position this season. However, here we are at the annual NHL all star break, and the Canadiens sit at fifth in the Eastern Conference with 57 points.

This surprising fact is largely thanks to the play of Alex Galchenyuk, the 3rd overall pick in the 2012 Entry Draft. He was invited to the All Star game on Tuesday - but not for the rookie skills competition - he made the roster for the actual All Star game and will play on a line with Jason Spezza and Joffery Lupul.

Alex been amazing for the Canadiens this season. He has been playing on their top line all season, and he leads the team in scoring with 49 points in 52 games. He is only behind one other player in the rookie scoring race - Jonathan Huberdeau, who has an insane 61 points in 50 games. Alex's outstanding offensive play has also rubbed off on Max Pacioretty - he did not make the all star game, but has scored 20 goals and 41 points in 52 games.

The Canadiens currently have a record of 25-20-7.

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You have a ton of money locked up in goaltenders! 8.7 for your tandem!
I like to have a 4 mill guy (85 overall) backed up by a 1 mill guy (78-80 overall).

And 2.3 for your 4th line centre! How is your cap space?

I am cheap. I admit it.
$11.5M in cap space.

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One of Chicago, Colorado, New York(rangers) or Detroit. Crosby at 99 overall is scary, did you edit him to 99 or change the potential?
Potential is the same (5 yellow stars). He went from 95 OVR in year 1 to 96 OVR in year 2 and now to 99 OVR in year 3.

His attributes were tweaked as they're statistic-based, but his OVR stayed the same.

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Just made a notable trade in my Habs dynasty. Too lazy to make a whole writeup about it, because once I finish year two I will make one. Here is the trade:

Petr Straka (56 OVR, 3.5Y), Charles Hudon (56 OVR, 2.5Y), and Alessio Bertaggia (55 overall, 2.5Y) for Tyson Barrie (76 overall, 4 yellow stars)

Edit: Holy flying **** - I just got offered Phil Kessel for a bunch of garbage. Done deal!

Montreal's 2014 1st, Patrick Holland, Brady Vail, and Nathan Chiarlitti for Phil Kessel!

Pacioretty (84) - Galchenyuk (83) - Kessel (88)
Cole (84) - Plekanec (86) - Nyquist (78)
Bourque (84) - Eller (82) - Gionta (83)
Prust (77) - White (75) - Armstrong (78)

Greene (84) - Subban (87)
Kaberle (83) - Gorges (83)
Tinordi (77) - Weber (76)

Price (88)
Budaj (75)


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Habs Finish Seventh in Eastern Conference


Canadiens defenseman Yannick Weber snipes a wrist shot past Panthers goalie Scott Clemmensen.

Montreal may not be one of the elite teams in the NHL this year, but seventh place is much better than sixth last, that's for sure. The Habs turned it around from last season, earning 91 points, with a record of 41-32-9. They will be facing the Washington Capitals in round one of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Here are the Habs' three stars of the season:

3rd Star:
Carey Price
The 26 year old netminder bounced back from last year's abysmal season, posting a 0.923% save percentage and a GAA of 2.35.

2nd Star:
Yannick Weber
No one expected this at all, but he lead the Canadiens blue line in points with 35. His offense from the back end really helped out the Habs this season.
1st Star:

Alex Galchenyuk
Everyone expected Galchenyuk to be good - but no one expected that he would have such an amazing impact in his first year. The rookie centerman scored 27 goals and 77 points on the Habs' top line, and finished second in the rookie scoring race, only behind Jonathan Huberdeau.

Player Stats (Goals/Assists/Points)

Forwards:
Alex Galchenyuk - 27/50/77
Phil Kessel - 31/40/71 (late season acquisition)
Max Pacioretty - 25/33/58
Eric Cole - 19/30/49
Brian Gionta - 20/26/46
Tomas Plekanec - 17/25/42
Gustav Nyquist - 13/16/29
Lars Eller - 14/15/29
Rene Bourque - 12/5/17
Brandon Prust - 2/8/10
Ryan White - 2/8/10
Colby Armstrong - 2/7/9

Defense:
Yannick Weber - 6/29/35
Andy Greene - 6/27/33
Tomas Kaberle - 7/24/31
PK Subban - 5/23/28
Josh Gorges - 6/15/21
Jarred Tinordi - 2/2/4

Goalies:
Carey Price - 2.35 GAA, 0.923%
Peter Budaj - 2.57 GAA, 0.921%

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Massive offseason in Pittsburgh

After another disappointing playoffs for the penguins the team decided it was time to under go some massive changes. First the team traded the 3rd overall pick (from VAN) and their own 1st round pick which was 22nd overall to the Chicago Blackhawks for the 1st overall pick. The team drafted Sergei kugryshev first overall. The team believes that he will be the teams replacement for Marian Gaborik and he could see ice time with the club during the 2017-2018 season. The team then traded RFA joe morrow and the often injured Brandon sutter to he Phoenix coyotes for Oliver ekman larsson. The team then traded Brian dumoulin to the Anaheim ducks for Brandon pirri. The team has one more question to answer and that is the goaltending situation. Fleury appeared to struggle at times and engstrand wasn't much better. This lead to engstrand's departure in the offseason and Nikita serebryakov handed the backup job although he will test fleury for the #1 job. Serebryakov was a stud in his 15 game stint with the club going 10-4 with a 1.85 GAA and a .938sv%.

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Maybe this time someone knows where Teräväinen peaks?

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Does someone here know how the development of prospects works?

I mean not in particular, but i need to figure out why the overall of certain players goes trough the roof while others improve by like 1 point.

For example, i had huge lottery luck in my first season with the Bruins: Traded Thomas in the pre season and the first round pick from that trade ended up as 2nd overall, which i used on Reinhardt.
During the draft i was also able to get Niederreiter from NYI, i dont remember his numbers, but at the start of the second season he was still a 4 star (or is it 3.5?) with a 68 overall. Reinhardt was already a monster at that time, 4.5 stars and 77 overall.

Now, after 1 season in Juniors, the monster turned into a beast, 20 years old with a 86 overall, almost ready to replace an aging Chara.

Niederreiter however, while playing the entire season in the NHL (and winning the cup in that process) on the 3rd line together with O.Jokinen and Peverley made it to 69 overall. He wasn't bad, ended the season with 11g and 23 points and even a gamewinner in the Conference Finals.


So what i ask myself is: Was the competition too hard and he should've played the entire season in the AHL (as he will next season)? Do they have to dominate to make jumps like Reinhardt did? Do i just need more patience?


Not that i expect everyone to become a star after a single year, but i have a lot of unsigned players now i really don't know what to do with. They are too bad for my AHL team so i thought it might be a good idea to leave them where they are, but that way they progress like Niederreiter, which means they are blocked by Providence's AHL players until the age of 25 or smth.

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