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Flyers' 2013 regular season schedule (posts #1 and #552). CBA officially ratified.

View Poll Results: How will you show your displeasure with the lockout when NHL hockey returns?
I will not attend any live games 8 10.96%
I will not attend live games, nor will I purchase NHL merchandise 22 30.14%
I will attend live games, but fewer games than in previous years 5 6.85%
I have season's tickets, but I will spend less on merchandise and concessions 3 4.11%
I have season's tickets and I will skip the first game 1 1.37%
I will be so happy that hockey is back that I will attend as many or more games than usual 14 19.18%
Purplemonkeydishwasher 20 27.40%
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01-03-2013, 09:50 AM
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Krishna what I am saying is this was a regular buyout by the team.

These are compliance buyouts coming out of the lockout. The player gets every cent of the money on his contract. Drury situation is different from a compliance buyout. It was just a normal end of the year buyout.

Didn't the Flyers compliance buyout LeClair last time when he had back injuries??

What I am saying is a compliance buyout is different from a regular buyout under CBA terms.

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01-03-2013, 09:51 AM
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Like Meltzer said....no matter what this next CBA is not going to be good for the Flyers. Holmgren is going to have to be really savy...which scares me.
It'll definitely suck. But one thing I trust the Flyers on is being creative with the cap and trades. Remember, it's not only Homer, Clarke's still there, too. Also Homer is a great judge of talent, he'll find someone to play on this team if he has to make a trade.
Just have to hope that there won't be a Gagne-like situation where you don't have any market at all for the player you try to unload.

On the flipside, the Flyers got lucky that Suter and Parise didn't choose to come here. Weber's contract also would hurt. So with Giroux not yet signed, we don't really have that huge albatross right now. Bryz' caphit can be acceptable if he plays like he can and Briere doesn't have a lot of years left.
The Wild btw would have 50% of the cap invested in 4 (!) players in 13/14.


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01-03-2013, 09:53 AM
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I doubt they buyout Bryz unless they have a plan to get another goalie...whoever that may be b/c we all know Leighton is NOT and was NEVER NHL material....
it doesn't matter who is here. If you have a limited window to rid yourselves of a contract that will suffocate you for 7 more years you must take it.

Just way too many years from the getgo.

Briere might get bought out...but he only has 2(?) more years...not worth it with Prongers deal sitting there too.

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A list of goalies slotted to become UFA after this year.

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...G&fa_type_id=2

Notable names are Thomas, Nabokov, Backstrom, Howard, and Mike Smith.

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Is there a scheduled meeting today?

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it doesn't matter who is here. If you have a limited window to rid yourselves of a contract that will suffocate you for 7 more years you must take it.

Just way too many years from the getgo.

Briere might get bought out...but he only has 2(?) more years...not worth it with Prongers deal sitting there too.
Yeah, it matters very much. Doesn't make sense to unload one contract and be forced to hand the same kind of contract to the next goalie who won't be a sureshot.


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A list of goalies slotted to become UFA after this year.

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...G&fa_type_id=2

Notable names are Thomas, Nabokov, Backstrom, Howard, and Mike Smith.
Backstrom and Smith are the only interesting guys, imo.
Both on a short deal, because of age or the Phoenix-effect. Both won't be cheap.

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It'll definitely suck. But one thing I trust the Flyers on is being creative with the cap and trades. Remember, it's not only Homer, Clarke's still there, too. Also Homer is a great judge of talent, he'll find someone to play on this team if he has to make a trade.
Just have to hope that there won't be a Gagne-like situation where you don't have any market at all for the player you try to unload.
this org had been really good at drafting with the few picks we have. Drafting is going to be much more important now.

Where it's going to really get us is in signing mid level talent to major deals. It's cost us
alot to clean these deals up, and that's going t be harder to do/find trading partners now.

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A list of goalies slotted to become UFA after this year.

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...G&fa_type_id=2

Notable names are Thomas, Nabokov, Backstrom, Howard, and Mike Smith.
Not an impressive list....

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Prongo, all I see in the CBA about compliance buyouts is :

Compliance Buyouts.
a. There shall be a six (6) day period commencing on July 23, 2005 and ending at
5:00 p.m. New York time on July 29, 2005, during which Clubs may elect to
terminate and buy out SPCs of Players, and any buyout made during this time
period shall be deemed to be a "Compliance Buyout" as provided for in Article 50.

b. A Player that has been bought out under these Compliance Buyout provisions
shall be prohibited from rejoining the Prior Club that bought him out (via resigning, Assignment, Waiver claim or otherwise) for the duration of the 2005-06
League Year.

And the payment for that is over the length of the normal contract.

That's all I really see so I'm guessing it's the same

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this org had been really good at drafting with the few picks we have. Drafting is going to be much more important now.

Where it's going to really get us is in signing mid level talent to major deals. It's cost us
alot to clean these deals up, and that's going t be harder to do/find trading partners now.
Definitely...no trading draft picks like chiclets! Moreover, the Flyers have to reconstitute that D corps somehow. We need a couple of bonafide D men with Timonen sundowning...

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A list of goalies slotted to become UFA after this year.

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...G&fa_type_id=2

Notable names are Thomas, Nabokov, Backstrom, Howard, and Mike Smith.
Thomas? Won't play again
Nabokov? Old
Backstrom? Not sure the wild trade him now with Harding's condition
Howard? Will re-sign with the wings
Smith? Terrible

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Yeah, it matters very much. Doesn't make sense to unload one contract and be forced to hand the same kind of contract to the next goalie who won't be a sureshot.
it's going to be back to mid level journeymen on short deals or pray to the lord we draft someone...thats the price of paying the other players that we have.

Contracts are going to likely go down...and there will be more moving and shaking in the offseason as teams readjust to the lower cap...so it's hard to say who will be available.

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Is there a scheduled meeting today?

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  1. Could be a simple misunderstanding. Could be more CBA silliness. Anyway, the sides are expected to get back together at some point today.
  2. Apparently, NHLPA didn't understand it/hear it the same way from Beckenbaugh. So, NHLPA meeting internally right now.
  3. When asked to clarify if both sides were asked to be back in the morning, Bettman replied, "That's my understanding."
  4. NHL-NHLPA will meet later today, but not yet. NHLPA holding internal meetings this morning.
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Thomas? Won't play again
Nabokov? Old
Backstrom? Not sure the wild trade him now with Harding's condition
Howard? Will re-sign with the wings
Smith? Terrible
Backstrom's contract is running out. They have Jeff (?) Hackett in their pipeline who probably will be a good goalie. As I mentioned earlier, they have 50% of their cap tied up in four players, not including Backstrom. It'll be tough to resign him.

Smith isn't terrible. The question just is, is he as good as he was last season playing for Dave Tippet?

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We need a couple of bonafide D men with Timonen sundowning...
We took our shot with weber, lost out...and well we are kinda screwed here. Better hope Schenn works out big time.

We could get a young talented guy I'm sure...if we are willing to trade one of our own young guns.

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IMO you buy out Briere and Pronger.

Pronger probably wont play ever again.

Briere isn't really showing up in the regular season and only does while in the playoffs. For his caphit, we need him all the time..

Bryz isn't really a viable option. As others said, you can hope another goalie gets bought out and try to sign them. But there's so many teams trying to get goalies that it's not really a good time to bet on the market
Briere and Pronger are my choices as well. But can they even buy-out Pronger?

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Backstrom's contract is running out. They have Jeff (?) Hackett in their pipeline who probably will be a good goalie. As I mentioned earlier, they have 50% of their cap tied up in four players, not including Backstrom. It'll be tough to resign him.

Smith isn't terrible. The question just is, is he as good as he was last season playing for Dave Tippet?
Smith is pretty bad. There's a reason why Tampa bay let him go in favor of a goalie who was older than dirt.

It's the Phoenix effect working on Smith like it did with Bryz.

As for Backstrom, you can't make 2 huge signings like that and then opt to go for a goalie with a medical injury that's going to affect him at all times and a prospect.

They will keep backstrom

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Smith is pretty bad. There's a reason why Tampa bay let him go in favor of a goalie who was older than dirt.

It's the Phoenix effect working on Smith like it did with Bryz.

As for Backstrom, you can't make 2 huge signings like that and then opt to go for a goalie with a medical injury that's going to affect him at all times and a prospect.

They will keep backstrom
Again, Matt(!) Hackett.
But even so, Backstrom will be too expensive for us anyhow.

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Again, Matt(!) Hackett.
But even so, Backstrom will be too expensive for us anyhow.
I acknowledged him in the 'and a prospect' part

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I like Backstrom, and I also don't think they will resign him with their cap situation. They will be hurting just as bad as the Bruins when the new deal is finalized(if it is). I have always like Backstrom too, and Minny has young cheap goal tending that are very good.

I think they can afford to let him walk and have a Hackett, Harding duo in net.

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Further to @Real_ESPNLeBrun. Buyouts still count against players' share, Players do not like that. Prefer dollars were outside system.


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Again, Matt(!) Hackett.
And here I thought Jeff Hackett was back ..a scary proposition considering how we recycle retread players like Leighton!

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I like Backstrom, and I also don't think they will resign him with their cap situation. They will be hurting just as bad as the Bruins when the new deal is finalized(if it is). I have always like Backstrom too, and Minny has young cheap goal tending that are very good.

I think they can afford to let him walk and have a Hackett, Harding duo in net.
Okay.

Say they let him walk.

There's more than 5 teams that would line up to sign him even at his current price.

Everyone on here complains about not wanting goalies that make too much.

Backstrom is going to get more than Bryz would.

The whole reason we would buy out bryz is for a cheaper goalie to save space on the cap. Not to sign a more expensive one.

Same situation goes with Luongo

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The 2 buyouts does sound big, but in reality, it's really not.

The players who are bought out still get their money from the players share
Depends on the lens. I consider cap flexibility with cap that is decreasing to be huge.

Homer is going to need it badly.

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I never said buy out Bryz because I want a cheaper goalie. Bryz contract is horrible, and Backstrom IMO is a better keeper than him. He wouldn't come on a long term contract either. Maybe 3 years. It would be worth it in my book to get rid of Bryz contract to but him out and spend 5.5-6 million on Backstrom.

Also hopefully Backstrom would come here because what teams need a starter? Toronto? Who else? San Jose? Who wants to play in Toronto? Besides every good old Canadian boy of course.

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