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01-03-2013, 12:31 PM
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As for Canada, the way they lost tonight couldn't be blamed on bad coaching. They didn't show up, but Spotts gameplan wasn't to be lethargic and be hemmed in your own zone all game.

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I hate Varnakov Hope he is not the coach for the next year

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01-03-2013, 12:34 PM
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-Day off on Tuesday? WTF?! Does he realize how short this tournament is?
-2 right-handed shooting D on PP1, and 2 left-handed shooting D on PP2. Infuriating.
-MacKinnon collecting dust and Drouin playing with everyone but him.
The day off thing had me worried.

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01-03-2013, 12:36 PM
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I hate Varnakov Hope he is not the coach for the next year
You can have Spott.

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01-03-2013, 12:38 PM
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As for Canada, the way they lost tonight couldn't be blamed on bad coaching. They didn't show up, but Spotts gameplan wasn't to be lethargic and be hemmed in your own zone all game.
There we go. Thanks for saying this.

I hate seeing fans always find excuses for why their team loses, oh the refs were bad, the coaching was bad, blah blah. When it comes down to it, it's the players who are on the ice and it's the players who play the game.

You ask what's wrong with Canadian hockey? It's this. We won't hold our players accountable. These guys get an easy ride all the way up based on pedigree and they're never held accountable for how they play. I can almost guarantee most of these players will go home and their parents will tell them it was somebody else's fault, just like they've probably been doing their entire lives.

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01-03-2013, 12:54 PM
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There we go. Thanks for saying this.

I hate seeing fans always find excuses for why their team loses, oh the refs were bad, the coaching was bad, blah blah. When it comes down to it, it's the players who are on the ice and it's the players who play the game.

You ask what's wrong with Canadian hockey? It's this. We won't hold our players accountable. These guys get an easy ride all the way up based on pedigree and they're never held accountable for how they play. I can almost guarantee most of these players will go home and their parents will tell them it was somebody else's fault, just like they've probably been doing their entire lives.
But doesn't accountability start with the coaches? Right from the camp it was clear Spott wasn't choosing players because they earned but rather their previous pedigree.

He continually kept giving major minutes to players who were being out played by teammates in game.

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01-03-2013, 12:55 PM
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There we go. Thanks for saying this.

I hate seeing fans always find excuses for why their team loses, oh the refs were bad, the coaching was bad, blah blah. When it comes down to it, it's the players who are on the ice and it's the players who play the game.

You ask what's wrong with Canadian hockey? It's this. We won't hold our players accountable. These guys get an easy ride all the way up based on pedigree and they're never held accountable for how they play. I can almost guarantee most of these players will go home and their parents will tell them it was somebody else's fault, just like they've probably been doing their entire lives.
Well I don't think there really is anything wrong with Canadian hockey. 17 out of 30 of the top scorers in the NHL last year were Canadian. We have won 2 out of the 3 last olympics, and have medaled in 13 straight world juniors.

The only tournament that we don't do very well in is the World Championships and that's because none of our top players care about it (which is really a problem in my opinion).

There isn't much wrong with Canadian hockey, but there is something wrong with the fans. If we don't win there is always SOMEONE to blame. Last year it was Visentin, this year it's Subban, Spott, Murphy, and Rielly. The bottom line is, these are short tournaments. One bad game (which is what we had tonight) and you're out of the tournament. Don't show up and you're out. That's what happened. It wasn't coaching. It was an awful game.

In the NHL the best team loses about 20 games during the season. I don't know if Canada was the best team in this tournament, but they were definitely a favourite. They lost an elimination game. That is all.

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01-03-2013, 01:02 PM
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Should probably add [For the final game]:

Murphy and Hamilton pp time: 3 minutes and 40 seconds - overall points in tourney: 2

Rielly and Ouellet pp time: 20 seconds - overall points in the tourney: 7

Truly upsetting for a coach of Team Canada
Yep that was a complete joke. Ouellet and Rielly had a huge game on the PP aganist Slovakia and barely saw any PP ice time today or any of the tourney after that game they had. Spott had Murphy out there for both full PP's.

Murphy didnt produce in the OHL this seaosn ro world junior, PP specialist should've been Ryan Sproul his style meshes much better with the guys on Canada. Let RNH set him up for his booming shot all day on the PP. Or could've taken Corrado who had a great camp while Murphy didnt.

Mackinnon fourth line is pathetic, hes better than Drouin and Drouins great enough to be on the top line while Mackinnon shares his ice with JC Lipon.

Subban had a terrible camp and weak couple games in the tourney but Binnington got no shot.

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01-03-2013, 01:03 PM
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One thing that has become apparent during the World Juniors is how quickly people jump to irrational conclusions that poor performances are exclusively to be pinned on bad coaching.

Hockey is a variable sport. Close parity. Meaning, random one game showdowns can go anyway and if they were played 100 times between the big nations, no team would IMO show a dominating record.

So why this consist and stupid blaming of the coaches every single time your team has a bad 5 minutes, a bad period ... or even, shockingly, loses a game. Of course, fans do also give such irrational rants towards the players ; love them one minute, hate them the next. I guess this is part and parcel of sports ; most fans are too emotionally invested to reason well, to understand that one medicore play does not equate to what that player represents.

With the coaches, though, what do half of you expect? I've seen long winded complaining from all nations about their coaches this year. Canada ... wah wah Spott. US in the group stages .... wah wah Housley. Finland crash out ... wah wah coaches. Russia ... the same. Wah wah coaches. If we had different coach, we would win.

If HFboards opinion was the defining factor for decision making, no coaches would exist, because none would apparently be good enough.
Are you off your soapbox? Coaching is a significant factor in this tournament and it's clear a guy like Spott let his team down with both sins of ommission and commission.

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01-03-2013, 01:05 PM
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As for Canada, the way they lost tonight couldn't be blamed on bad coaching. They didn't show up, but Spotts gameplan wasn't to be lethargic and be hemmed in your own zone all game.
It wasn't all on Spott, but the bottomline is team wasn't prepared to play. Canada has a sense of entitlement at international hockey events, and it's probably good they get knocked down a peg here and there. Maybe some worthwhile changes will come from Hockey Canada. I'll be interested to see if the CHL makes an changes short/long-term on non-Canadians' participation.

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01-03-2013, 01:15 PM
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It wasn't all on Spott, but the bottomline is team wasn't prepared to play. Canada has a sense of entitlement at international hockey events, and it's probably good they get knocked down a peg here and there. Maybe some worthwhile changes will come from Hockey Canada. I'll be interested to see if the CHL makes an changes short/long-term on non-Canadians' participation.
Eh, I think that might be a bit of an overreaction. Losing to the USA team we lost to isn't exactly smoething to be alarmed about. It's a very good team. They weren't prepared for this game, but they were for games against USA and Russia in the round robin.

Perhaps some small preparation technique changes won't hurt, but I doubt anything would have made a difference tonight. It was just a stinker. It happens 15-20 times for every NHL team during the season. It was just a bad game at the wrong time.

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But doesn't accountability start with the coaches? Right from the camp it was clear Spott wasn't choosing players because they earned but rather their previous pedigree.

He continually kept giving major minutes to players who were being out played by teammates in game
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I think this pretty much sums it up.

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01-03-2013, 01:50 PM
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But doesn't accountability start with the coaches? Right from the camp it was clear Spott wasn't choosing players because they earned but rather their previous pedigree.

He continually kept giving major minutes to players who were being out played by teammates in game.
This is Spott on! Murphy's too plentiful minutes were the thing that bothered me the most. Also MacKinnon getting less ice time than MacNeil who had been cut from the team, what was with that. The coaching wasn't great, it wasn't even average. The U.S. were deserving winners with no doubt but it is the coaches job to have their team ready to play and this Canada team wasn't.
Also the Russian coach deserves criticism as well. I just look back to the final minutes of the first Canada/Russia game, his team was totally disorganized.

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01-03-2013, 02:53 PM
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He spent the last 40 minutes of the game against the US looking like he'd just lost his puppy. I don't remember seeing him saying a thing to the team when the camera was on him. Certainly not an inspiring presence.


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It's the coach's job to make sure his team is ready. Anyone who thinks Canada or Russia were ready for this tournamanet should switch to another sport.
Isn't it the player's job to make sure themselves are ready? It's the coach's job to make sure Atom players are ready along with their Dads prior to a game. Players at this level and the Pro level need to be accountable for their own play.

Canada was just as prepared as any other team in the tournament. It's called a "bad game" at the wrong time. It happens to everyone and every team. USA played their hearts out and deserve everything coming to them.

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I blame TSN.

It has become such a massive event, gushing with Canadiana and good old boys, heart, O Canada, etc. that you feel that they sometimes lose focus that a tournament needs to build and reach a crescendo. There is pressure right from the Red/White game in the selection camp. Canada treats every game like the 7th game of the Stanley Cup so they start with a plan and don't derive from it. No real changes, no experimentation in the Round Robin phase.

- The top players played top minutes in all the game
- PP was not changed
- 4 lines were not rolled
- Binnington could of split the work with Subban and made a decision in the knock out phase.

All the other major teams understand this. Housely rolled 4 lines all tournament and players had more gas. Today RNH had a 3:21 minutes shift with ended in a penalty. This is Novice hockey coaching - unacceptable. Scheifele has been off the last two games, give McKinnon a shot.

You don't have to win every game, you have to win the last 2 (or 3).

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Showed terrible bench management
Fail of a game-plan
Played favorites/refused to hold players accountable
Terrible sportsmanship

Anything else?

EDIT: being unprepared. Giving them the day off?


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Isn't it the player's job to make sure themselves are ready? It's the coach's job to make sure Atom players are ready along with their Dads prior to a game. Players at this level and the Pro level need to be accountable for their own play.

Canada was just as prepared as any other team in the tournament. It's called a "bad game" at the wrong time. It happens to everyone and every team. USA played their hearts out and deserve everything coming to them.
Not entirely. While yes, it is players' job to get ready for the game, but the coach's job is to do everything in their power to prepare their players. Giving them a day off in the middle of a short tournament while every other team is playing games is completely the wrong way to go about it. The players are definitely to blame for the poor puck management and defensive coverage but the coaches aren't just there for show. Spott didn't do his job in order to maximize his team's chances to win.

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Don't usually like getting on the coach but when its deserved....


Screw you Spott for CONSISTENTLY shoving Ryan Murphy down our throats. You don't select a team based on reputation or if they play on your CHL team... you select the team by choosing the players who are playing at a high level at the time of the tournament not by the ones you hope get it going in time.

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Yup, the coaching decisions weren't great, but MacKinnon didn't do much to get off the 4th line.


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All tournament long.
Lollll

Everyone blasted me here on hfboards. Spott is stubborn mule (and sllloooowww) he looks like the little guy who had to develop this attitude due to his short stature lololol I'm kidding don't ban me now loll
But he is stubborn and he was incapable to use the preplayoff games for testing his lines.

Also the format needs to change just like last year Canada lost 1 games and ended with bronze. If Canada wins vs Russia for bronze they would have last 1 game only. This means the pre playoff games are almost worthless. Every game must count.

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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Murphy doesn't deserve ice time. Heck, he shouldn't have been on the team.

He looks so uninspiring. Where is Craig Hartsburg?

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All tournament long.
Johnny on the spott lolll

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As for Canada, the way they lost tonight couldn't be blamed on bad coaching. They didn't show up, but Spotts gameplan wasn't to be lethargic and be hemmed in your own zone all game.
You have to ask yourself: what would Mike Babcock do in that situation?

1. Before you do anything else, death stare
2. Yell at team
3. Change around lines and pairings. Roll energy lines.
4. Chew 4 packs of gum a period
5. Make sure hair is perfect
6. Death stare

Now THAT'S how you coach. I think it's 85% death staring, really.

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Spott was absolutely terrible. He rewarded Murphy's terrible play with more ice time.
That being said, Canada looked like they weren't even trying out there and it was pathetic

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