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01-03-2013, 03:11 PM
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I'm sure you were saying the same thing back in 04.
The issues in 04 were much, much bigger. If they lose a season this year over these remaining issues then I think both sides are idiots.

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I'm waiting to see some Lebrun tweets!

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Why can't both sides just split down the middle on all issues?
thats usually not how these things work...

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I said early today that this was going to be the day the talks ended.

Sides have too many issues and are too far apart to reach a deal for the season. They just don't work fast enough.
Compare where we are now to where to sides were a month ago and we're really not that far away.

Not far enough that it can't be made up in 8 days and DEFINITELY not worth losing a season over.

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Go away Shannon. They better meet again today or I'm going to start getting worried.

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https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...38594822721537

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The reality of today in the CBA talks... There is a real chance that there are no meetings today. #NHL#NHLPA
Why would they meet? It's not like there's any rush or anything, right?

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01-03-2013, 03:13 PM
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Yet we conveniently forget how the players allllllll did one thing during the players - owners meeting, only to come back the next morning and change their tune in a complete role reversal because of Fehr.

Yeah, let's pin all of this on the owners.

BOTH sides are playing games. So let's stop acting like a bunch of 23 year olds aren't playing any games.
I have said on plenty of occassions the players are wrong. However, the absolute venom being spewed by some against the players is absolutely ridiculous. Like was said in the last thread, seems obvious to me that many on here are jealous that these guys make so much money to play a game while they are just a working stiff and that these players are just "employees".

I would LOVE to see Bettman and Jacobs tell the players in a meeting they are just employees and then laugh at how fast this process crumbles to the ground.

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01-03-2013, 03:13 PM
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Go away Shannon. They better meet again today or I'm going to start getting worried.
Still a week until the deadline sadly.

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I said early today that this was going to be the day the talks ended.

Sides have too many issues and are too far apart to reach a deal for the season. They just don't work fast enough.
literally nothign u just said is accurate

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01-03-2013, 03:14 PM
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I swear, even after a CBA is eventually signed people are still going to be posting that they think the season is going to be lost. Be realistic, neither side can bear a lost season.
I wouldn't put it past either side to actually reneg on a deal at this point, that's how little I think of them all.

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I said early today that this was going to be the day the talks ended.

Sides have too many issues and are too far apart to reach a deal for the season. They just don't work fast enough.


With a week to go, there would be time for a mild blow up where both sides reach for their guns and start heaving threats and insults at each but eventually reconvene and restart talks and get it done. None of these issues should be enough to derail this but we've been surprised many times during this lockout at the turns these talks have gone.

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The optimism will rise again with the next tweet signifying they're close only to die down when something about DOI is mentioned

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01-03-2013, 03:17 PM
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With a week to go, there would be time for a mild blow up where both sides reach for their guns and start heaving threats and insults at each but eventually reconvene and restart talks and get it done. None of these issues should be enough to derail this but we've been surprised many times during this lockout at the turns these talks have gone.
Yep, exactly. A week is like a year when it comes to Fehr/Bettman negotiations.

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01-03-2013, 03:17 PM
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literally nothign u just said is accurate
They have to work on pension which is important to the owners and players.

The cap number is a big deal and the NHL is firm on it.

Don't you understand if one side doesn't "give" on these issues you won't be watching hockey this year. There is no middle ground. They don't work like that. This entire process has been brutal and has had the eye for an eye mentality the entire time.

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01-03-2013, 03:18 PM
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It appears to me that we have come down to this:

The owner's want to drop the cap ceiling, which lowers the floor. That's it.

They have unlimited escrow, yet they still won't get off the lower cap, lower floor thing. That makes this ENTIRE exercise about helping the bottom 10 markets. It's a major kick in the teeth to the paying customer in cities (Vancouver, Toronto, New York, Boston etc) who pay the highest prices and sell out. Meanwhile, with a lower floor, teams in bad markets who have low prices get to continue running their business poorly and make money doing it.

**** the owners.

I was 50/50 before. No longer. As a fan of a well run, profitable team I can not tolerate a league that changes the rules so quickly, forcing my GM to partially dismantle his team just so garbage market teams can stop losing their shirts.

I hope the players stand firm and the season gets **** canned. Dropping the cap to 60 AND getting unlimited escrow proves the owners' greed. Instead of a triple they are trying to hit a home run with this CBA.

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01-03-2013, 03:18 PM
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so did the owners. Oh wait, on this site we only listen to Bettman's interpretation of things.
Well, unless we get a view of how they reworded the terms of it, it could have been just that, and the players don't understand it the other way.

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NHL has gone back to original language on HRR after they changed the language this week.Severe penalties still apply.
Did the penalties still apply with the language change or not, or did they not understand the new language?

This is why things are so screwed up.

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01-03-2013, 03:19 PM
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The vibe coming out seems to be that talks have yet again broken down and there may be no meetings scheduled?? plus the PA is voting again to disclaim..Is this true?

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That cap is at 67, apparently the cap debate is for year 2. unless that changed too.

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01-03-2013, 03:21 PM
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They better meet again today or I'm going to start getting worried.
Well we wouldn't want that now would we.

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The vibe coming out seems to be that talks have yet again broken down and there may be no meetings scheduled?? plus the PA is voting again to disclaim..Is this true?
Disclaim is very much expected... keep the feet of the NHL warm as Lebrun put it.

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01-03-2013, 03:22 PM
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NHLPA to hold 5pm conference call to provide update to players. #TSN

https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/st...44938208419840

I thought they already had an update this morning?

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01-03-2013, 03:22 PM
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They have to work on pension which is important to the owners and players.

The cap number is a big deal and the NHL is firm on it.

Don't you understand if one side doesn't "give" on these issues you won't be watching hockey this year. There is no middle ground. They don't work like that. This entire process has been brutal and has had the eye for an eye mentality the entire time.
Except take HRR where they eventually met in the middle... but your right, there is no middle ground.

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01-03-2013, 03:23 PM
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Anyway, forget Fehr, I'm filing my DOI towards the NHL. I'll find out when I find out season or no season, until then I'm done worrying about this lockout and letting it take up any more of my time. see ya guys hopefully when the season starts.

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01-03-2013, 03:23 PM
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Aaron Ward ‏@aaronward_nhl
NHLPA to hold 5pm conference call to provide update to players. #TSN

https://twitter.com/aaronward_nhl/st...44938208419840

I thought they already had an update this morning?
They had a meeting since then though.

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Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS

Players will start voting on the disclaimer starting at 6pm tonight. Vote will end in 48 hours.

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS/sta...45593669070848

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