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01-03-2013, 03:31 PM
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Maybe the players sense this is it and on the conference call say "were making a deal tonight"

Owners say, let's figure out this cap and pension issue guys and get you back on the ice.

Maybe....just maybe...
I'm jealous of how you can be so optimistic all the time

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Some of my dislike for the NHLPA comes from their venom spewed about the very folks who write their paychecks; about the folks who attempt to make the league profitable; and specifically about the guy they will gladly take the Stanley Cup from when it is won.
Yeah, because not liking your boss, or not trusting your boss is SOOOOO unheard of.

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Pensions are the biggest roadblock and the reason we might have a cancelled season. Sucks but it's the truth.

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You're kidding yourself if you don't think that same venom is being spewed against the players by the owners, but it's a lot easier to keep a leash on 30 people than 700+.
Especially when those 30 owners face fines of up to $1 million for not towing the Bettman line.

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Uhm, maybe they want to update the membership on what happened today? Nah, not necessary, players can just come to this thread to see what is going on.

and a 6pm vote for DOI again.
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Players will start voting on the disclaimer starting at 6pm tonight. Vote will end in 48 hours.

https://twitter.com/RenLavoieRDS
Based on the article I posted on Jason Chimera's quotes it sounds like an update would go like this..............

We are still locked out Bettman is mean. Fehr is great. Kool Aid for everyone - grape tonight.

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Making money in a "bad" market isn't a good thing? Get off your ****ing high horse.
If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.

Same cap this year as was scheduled.

67 million (with a floor set to the 60 million dollar level) for 13/14.

Fully linked cap for 14/15.

This allows well built and planned teams to stay how they INTENDED. With no cap on escrow there is no risk for owners.

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and a 6pm vote for DOI again.
Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Players will start voting on the disclaimer starting at 6pm tonight. Vote will end in 48 hours.

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At least we know that there won't be any significant meetings or a deal agreed to in the next 48 hours. I'd bet it's Monday night at the earliest before anything productive starts up again.

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01-03-2013, 03:33 PM
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I completely disagree with the "neither side can afford to lose this season" The damage has already been done to the league because this will kill the growth of the league. All diehard fans will be back (that is why we waste our days here hoping for a deal) but this lockout is going to keep the casuals away. The length of this lockout has already done damage to the $$$. I really think the cancellation of the season is just a formality (but that is just me).

I do agree, if there were to be a deal, one side would HAVE to cave. There is no middle ground here, and that is a shame.
I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.

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You're kidding yourself if you don't think that same venom is being spewed against the players by the owners, but it's a lot easier to keep a leash on 30 people than 700+.
especially when the leader of the 30 has said, "speak and it will cost you $1MM."

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Pensions are the biggest roadblock and the reason we might have a cancelled season. Sucks but it's the truth.
If only Fehr was an actually good negotiator.

Fehr doesn't care about the game therefore he doesn't know how to use the PR of saying it would grow the game by taking away the risk of trying to get to the NHL and wasting youth.

Instead of merrrrrrr evil owners merrrrrr!

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I really wonder how the last lockout was handled on this site without twitter and all.

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I'd be curious to see if we see a deal in the next 48 hours in response to another vote so we don't have another Mexican standoff during talks. The last time they voted was post-Bettman meltdown. This vote is going on during some fairly productive talks...will it play a factor?

My thoughts are this won't play a factor but if we get to next week and nothing is done, the players may reach for this again to pressure the league.

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So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.

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01-03-2013, 03:35 PM
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At least we know that there won't be any significant meetings or a deal agreed to in the next 48 hours. I'd bet it's Monday night at the earliest before anything productive starts up again.
Everyone knows how the vote's going to turn out, it was 700-20 last time...it's not like both sides don't know the bullet goes back in the gun Saturday night and stays there for the rest of the week until the drop-dead day. There's no reason for negotiations to stop for 48 hours just to wait for a fait accompli vote to take place.

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Yeah, because not liking your boss, or not trusting your boss is SOOOOO unheard of.
Go elsewhere and work, seriously. I'm ready for replacement players and/or those willing to cross the lines.

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I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
Aahhh, a voice of reason. Pretty sure everyone on here knows a few people that don't pay attention until the play-offs or until football is over. I would label them as casual fans and seriously doubt they are going to boycott the NHL when it does come back. Hell, by the time the league comes back those people won't even realize they had a lockout.

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I really wonder how the last lockout was handled on this site without twitter and all.

Great question...I definitely don't remember following those talks as close. I can't even remember how I found out they were cancelling the season.

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Pensions are the biggest roadblock and the reason we might have a cancelled season. Sucks but it's the truth.
lol season isn't getting canceled over pensions

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I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
People in Los Angeles have already forgotten the Kings and their Stanley Cup. It would have helped to have their banner already raised and a season going on. I saw so many people get introduced to hockey during the playoff run and it would have been great to continue the momentum into this season.

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Go elsewhere and work, seriously. I'm ready for replacement players and/or those willing to cross the lines.
haha, replacement players. Arenas would have 1000 people and that is only if they slash ticket prices 90%.

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At least we know that there won't be any significant meetings or a deal agreed to in the next 48 hours. I'd bet it's Monday night at the earliest before anything productive starts up again.
players voting on DOI has nothing to do with a CBA agreement though..

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People in Los Angeles have already forgotten the Kings and their Stanley Cup. It would have helped to have their banner already raised and a season going on. I saw so many people get introduced to hockey during the playoff run and it would have been great to continue the momentum into this season.
Same was said about the Rangers winning in 94.

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Go elsewhere and work, seriously. I'm ready for replacement players and/or those willing to cross the lines.
Literally no one else is, including Bettman and the saintly owners

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I really wonder how the last lockout was handled on this site without twitter and all.
I know this is rhetorical but I was getting all of my info from SpectorsHockey and here.

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Yeah, because not liking your boss, or not trusting your boss is SOOOOO unheard of.
While true, 99.8% of people who think it aren't able, under any circumstances, to speak it publicly and still keep their job.

There is a severe lack of respect there. These players are paid handsomly for their skills, suggesting it is NOT the owners who lack respect for what the players bring to the table.

On the flip side, the owners... being filthy rich and having managed the league to record revenues are also at the top of their field. Meanwhile when asking their employees to help shoulder the load to build a profitable league, they get.... well, you've seen the tweets.

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