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01-03-2013, 03:38 PM
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So basically the only thing to happen in the next few days is for the PA to wait on this damn vote (which Im sure they will approve)?

Get talking guys!! Just when there was progress and some hope, crap slows down again...

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So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
Except for all the issues the players caved on, like revenue split, contract lengths, contract variance, etc.

It's a negotiation. They each have to give something.

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Maybe the players sense this is it and on the conference call say "were making a deal tonight"

Owners say, let's figure out this cap and pension issue guys and get you back on the ice.

Maybe....just maybe...
You're quite the optimist.

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So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.


A lot of that is true but I also think it'll be on the teams to properly run their franchises. If they had 30 healthy franchises, this process wouldn't be so grating.

Bettman has to work hard to keep all his teams capable of competing. This last deal seemed good for the owners with the salary cap but eventually it skewed heavily towards the players and nobody forced teams to sign players to backdiving deals to undermind the cap. Some of these new rules are in place to protect teams from themselves.

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I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
Your Kidding?

There is no chance revenue streams reach the same level they would have the next 2-3 years at least.


If revenues are 2.5 billion lower not including the money the player's lost this year over the next 5 years.

that is another 1.25 billion the players lost by not accepting a 50/50 back when 82 games could of happened.


The players will likely lose 1.5-3 billion over this.

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01-03-2013, 03:40 PM
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Not getting my hopes up yet, even though it sounds promising.. suddenly they will take a giant step back..

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John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet

NHLPA's Defendant's Memo. Motion to Dismiss NHL Complaint: http://*******/VlwYXB

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...49456312672256

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hY...sle=true&pli=1

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01-03-2013, 03:41 PM
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Who's ready for replacement players?

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Except for all the issues the players caved on, like revenue split, contract lengths, contract variance, etc.

It's a negotiation. They each have to give something.

this deal ensures about 10 teams every year will lose money.

5 of them likely 10-20 million maybe more.

This hardly changes anything.

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If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.
What does what the Cancuks charge you or me have to do with them helping the bad franchises? they're going to charge as much as they can for their tickets regardless.

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I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
Completely agree. If the NHL returns this season it will still keep most of the casual fans, a lot of people hardly remember that there was a shortened season in '94, but people will ALWAYS remember that a full season was cancelled like in '04.

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So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
You betcha. Most of these players won't be here for the next one.

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Your Kidding?

There is no chance revenue streams reach the same level they would have the next 2-3 years at least.


If revenues are 2.5 billion lower not including the money the player's lost this year over the next 5 years.

that is another 1.25 billion the players lost by not accepting a 50/50 back when 82 games could of happened.


The players will likely lose 1.5-3 billion over this.
OK, fine. I don't agree that serious damage has been done to the "growth of the sport."

Of course serious damage has been done to revenue *for this year.* I don't see how you could possibly have read my post and thought I said otherwise. Sheesh.

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who's ready for replacement players?
hell no!

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So what's going on? I thought they were meeting again later, but I haven't seen anything new on it. Just been reading a whole lot about a new vote for the DOI starting tonight.

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Same was said about the Rangers winning in 94.
What is your point?

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Who's ready for replacement players?
Why not just go to an AHL game then?

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If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.

Same cap this year as was scheduled.

67 million (with a floor set to the 60 million dollar level) for 13/14.

Fully linked cap for 14/15.

This allows well built and planned teams to stay how they INTENDED. With no cap on escrow there is no risk for owners.
That's part of the damn problem. Fans should take a stand and say, "We aren't paying over $100 for tickets." As long as fans are willing to pay that in any area, they will have to pay that in the area. Owners charge whatever they can get from fans. If the fans could get control of their spending, they could bring ticket prices down.

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If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.

Same cap this year as was scheduled.

67 million (with a floor set to the 60 million dollar level) for 13/14.

Fully linked cap for 14/15.

This allows well built and planned teams to stay how they INTENDED. With no cap on escrow there is no risk for owners.
I can drive an hour to St. Louis, park for $5, pay $20-25 for a ticket, and watch the second best baseball team (IMO) of all time. Your prices are outrageous because you'll pay them...Not because Columbus/Florida/Phoenix has attendance problems.

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Anyone else think that a deal is actually pretty much agreed to already? The PA can probably live with the NHL's terms, and the NHL is pretty much OK with the PA's terms, but there's simply no reason for them to sign when there's time left and there's a chance they could still inch towards each other.

Anything either side can extort from the other right up until the minute before the deadline is just gravy.

We'll get a deal the day before the deadline. Not a day sooner.

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Fehr was all about the mediators, until the NHL started following what the mediator wanted, then Fehr decided mediator isn't so important to follow.

Whatever it takes to drag things out to the last second.
Funny how that works. He kicks and screams for mediation and when it arrives, it gets blown aside like it wasn't there.

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John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet

NHLPA's Defendant's Memo. Motion to Dismiss NHL Complaint: http://*******/VlwYXB

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...49456312672256

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hY...sle=true&pli=1

If anyone is interested.
Without having read the brief, I don't think the issue is ripe for adjudication and expect the NHLPA to win. That said, I know nothing about the special rules of labor law.

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So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
If another lockout ensues it's because of their unwillingness to promote stability with revenue sharing.

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That legal memo has Steve Fehr's address on it... Heh.

Perhaps they should take it down.

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haha, replacement players. Arenas would have 1000 people and that is only if they slash ticket prices 90%.
And the Union would dissolve in a heartbeat and players would just jump ranks and play.

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