HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
National Hockey League Talk Discuss NHL players, teams, games, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

NHL Lockout Discussion XLIII: A Change Is Gonna Come

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-03-2013, 04:38 PM
  #126
Grannys
Registered User
 
Grannys's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London, UK
Country: Finland
Posts: 3,058
vCash: 500
So basically the only thing to happen in the next few days is for the PA to wait on this damn vote (which Im sure they will approve)?

Get talking guys!! Just when there was progress and some hope, crap slows down again...

Grannys is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:39 PM
  #127
Unstable
Registered User
 
Unstable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Exiled in NoVA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,115
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
Except for all the issues the players caved on, like revenue split, contract lengths, contract variance, etc.

It's a negotiation. They each have to give something.

Unstable is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:39 PM
  #128
Lynk
Registered Bro
 
Lynk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 15,618
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spezza19 View Post
Maybe the players sense this is it and on the conference call say "were making a deal tonight"

Owners say, let's figure out this cap and pension issue guys and get you back on the ice.

Maybe....just maybe...
You're quite the optimist.

Lynk is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:39 PM
  #129
Shoalzie
Registered User
 
Shoalzie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Portland, MI
Country: United States
Posts: 14,197
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.


A lot of that is true but I also think it'll be on the teams to properly run their franchises. If they had 30 healthy franchises, this process wouldn't be so grating.

Bettman has to work hard to keep all his teams capable of competing. This last deal seemed good for the owners with the salary cap but eventually it skewed heavily towards the players and nobody forced teams to sign players to backdiving deals to undermind the cap. Some of these new rules are in place to protect teams from themselves.

Shoalzie is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:39 PM
  #130
frivolousz21
Registered User
 
frivolousz21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: St. Louis, Mo
Country: United States
Posts: 2,667
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable View Post
I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
Your Kidding?

There is no chance revenue streams reach the same level they would have the next 2-3 years at least.


If revenues are 2.5 billion lower not including the money the player's lost this year over the next 5 years.

that is another 1.25 billion the players lost by not accepting a 50/50 back when 82 games could of happened.


The players will likely lose 1.5-3 billion over this.

frivolousz21 is online now  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:40 PM
  #131
AwesomePanthers
Go Cats Go
 
AwesomePanthers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Country: Norway
Posts: 8,875
vCash: 500
Not getting my hopes up yet, even though it sounds promising.. suddenly they will take a giant step back..

AwesomePanthers is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:40 PM
  #132
Shroomtastic71
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: NYC/CT
Posts: 87
vCash: 500
John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet

NHLPA's Defendant's Memo. Motion to Dismiss NHL Complaint: http://*******/VlwYXB

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...49456312672256

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hY...sle=true&pli=1

If anyone is interested.

Shroomtastic71 is online now  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #133
Confound
-Vindicated-
 
Confound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Maine
Country: United States
Posts: 17,650
vCash: 500
Who's ready for replacement players?

Confound is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #134
frivolousz21
Registered User
 
frivolousz21's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: St. Louis, Mo
Country: United States
Posts: 2,667
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable View Post
Except for all the issues the players caved on, like revenue split, contract lengths, contract variance, etc.

It's a negotiation. They each have to give something.

this deal ensures about 10 teams every year will lose money.

5 of them likely 10-20 million maybe more.

This hardly changes anything.

frivolousz21 is online now  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #135
bishop12
Ovyously
 
bishop12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,707
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by unifiedtheory View Post
If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.
What does what the Cancuks charge you or me have to do with them helping the bad franchises? they're going to charge as much as they can for their tickets regardless.

bishop12 is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #136
sharks9
Registered User
 
sharks9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 9,044
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unstable View Post
I don't agree with this at all. The vast majority of the U.S. national TV schedule is still ahead of us, as is the entire NBC schedule, and the playoffs. The only big loss as far as "casual" fans is the Winter Classic. I would imagine that most people start paying attention to hockey in January, when the NFL season is over (be it the regular season or the playoffs depending). If they fix this right now all they'll have lost is two weeks.
Completely agree. If the NHL returns this season it will still keep most of the casual fans, a lot of people hardly remember that there was a shortened season in '94, but people will ALWAYS remember that a full season was cancelled like in '04.

sharks9 is online now  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #137
Ugene Malkin
Bück Dich Baby!
 
Ugene Malkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: Germany
Posts: 21,836
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
You betcha. Most of these players won't be here for the next one.

Ugene Malkin is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:41 PM
  #138
Unstable
Registered User
 
Unstable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Exiled in NoVA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,115
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
Your Kidding?

There is no chance revenue streams reach the same level they would have the next 2-3 years at least.


If revenues are 2.5 billion lower not including the money the player's lost this year over the next 5 years.

that is another 1.25 billion the players lost by not accepting a 50/50 back when 82 games could of happened.


The players will likely lose 1.5-3 billion over this.
OK, fine. I don't agree that serious damage has been done to the "growth of the sport."

Of course serious damage has been done to revenue *for this year.* I don't see how you could possibly have read my post and thought I said otherwise. Sheesh.

Unstable is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:42 PM
  #139
oilersfan11
Registered User
 
oilersfan11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,540
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by confound View Post
who's ready for replacement players?
hell no!

oilersfan11 is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:42 PM
  #140
Bleedred
Fire Dumbeor!
 
Bleedred's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Seminole Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 35,224
vCash: 500
So what's going on? I thought they were meeting again later, but I haven't seen anything new on it. Just been reading a whole lot about a new vote for the DOI starting tonight.

Bleedred is online now  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:42 PM
  #141
Stuck in Socal
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 793
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by patnyrnyg View Post
Same was said about the Rangers winning in 94.
What is your point?

Stuck in Socal is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:43 PM
  #142
vanwest
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,348
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Confound View Post
Who's ready for replacement players?
Why not just go to an AHL game then?

vanwest is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:43 PM
  #143
Bubba Thudd
Moderator
#AvsNewAge
 
Bubba Thudd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Avaland
Posts: 13,030
vCash: 1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by unifiedtheory View Post
If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.

Same cap this year as was scheduled.

67 million (with a floor set to the 60 million dollar level) for 13/14.

Fully linked cap for 14/15.

This allows well built and planned teams to stay how they INTENDED. With no cap on escrow there is no risk for owners.
That's part of the damn problem. Fans should take a stand and say, "We aren't paying over $100 for tickets." As long as fans are willing to pay that in any area, they will have to pay that in the area. Owners charge whatever they can get from fans. If the fans could get control of their spending, they could bring ticket prices down.

Bubba Thudd is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:44 PM
  #144
CarvinSigX
Meh
 
CarvinSigX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Ill Side
Country: United States
Posts: 8,878
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by unifiedtheory View Post
If you're selling 4 tickets and 4 hot dogs and 4 beverages for $200 along with free parking then yes, it is.

Ask fans in Vancouver paying $150 a ticket, $10 a beer and $40 to park if they want to prop up bad markets, all the while the quality of the product suffers.

Same cap this year as was scheduled.

67 million (with a floor set to the 60 million dollar level) for 13/14.

Fully linked cap for 14/15.

This allows well built and planned teams to stay how they INTENDED. With no cap on escrow there is no risk for owners.
I can drive an hour to St. Louis, park for $5, pay $20-25 for a ticket, and watch the second best baseball team (IMO) of all time. Your prices are outrageous because you'll pay them...Not because Columbus/Florida/Phoenix has attendance problems.

CarvinSigX is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:44 PM
  #145
RaiderDoug
Registered User
 
RaiderDoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Knoxville
Country: United States
Posts: 1,881
vCash: 500
Anyone else think that a deal is actually pretty much agreed to already? The PA can probably live with the NHL's terms, and the NHL is pretty much OK with the PA's terms, but there's simply no reason for them to sign when there's time left and there's a chance they could still inch towards each other.

Anything either side can extort from the other right up until the minute before the deadline is just gravy.

We'll get a deal the day before the deadline. Not a day sooner.

RaiderDoug is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:45 PM
  #146
CerebralGenesis
Registered User
 
CerebralGenesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 23,705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils731 View Post
Fehr was all about the mediators, until the NHL started following what the mediator wanted, then Fehr decided mediator isn't so important to follow.

Whatever it takes to drag things out to the last second.
Funny how that works. He kicks and screams for mediation and when it arrives, it gets blown aside like it wasn't there.

CerebralGenesis is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:45 PM
  #147
Unstable
Registered User
 
Unstable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Exiled in NoVA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,115
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomtastic71 View Post
John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet

NHLPA's Defendant's Memo. Motion to Dismiss NHL Complaint: http://*******/VlwYXB

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/statu...49456312672256

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4hY...sle=true&pli=1

If anyone is interested.
Without having read the brief, I don't think the issue is ripe for adjudication and expect the NHLPA to win. That said, I know nothing about the special rules of labor law.

Unstable is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
  #148
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,995
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by frivolousz21 View Post
So essentially the owners have caved over and over and when this deal is up another lockout will ensue.

Awesome.
If another lockout ensues it's because of their unwillingness to promote stability with revenue sharing.

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
  #149
McRib
2nd Rate Fan
 
McRib's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,794
vCash: 500
That legal memo has Steve Fehr's address on it... Heh.

Perhaps they should take it down.

McRib is offline  
Old
01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
  #150
Jigger77
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by patnyrnyg View Post
haha, replacement players. Arenas would have 1000 people and that is only if they slash ticket prices 90%.
And the Union would dissolve in a heartbeat and players would just jump ranks and play.

Jigger77 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:46 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.