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01-03-2013, 07:22 PM
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trust...plain and simple...you should be able to trust that was decided on a month or so ago would be left alone on what was agreed upon, to have to go back over it causes headaches, but now the PA does not trust the league (even more) and they will read over everything even more thoroughly than they were before.
Exactly. This in particular was a bad issue to do this on because HRR reporting is something the players already don't trust the owners with. The language softened the penalty for deceiving the PA. Just a bad, bad move

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01-03-2013, 07:23 PM
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From the Forbes article:

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30. St. Louis Blues

Team value: $130 million
Owner: Tom Stillman
Revenue 2011-12: $89 million
Salary 2011/2012: $54,882,994
Operating income 2011-12: -$10 million

Beer distributor Tom Stillman led a group that purchased the Blues from private equity firm TowerBrook Capital Partners (70% ownership stake in team) and SCP Worldwide (20%) in May, 2012 for $120 million, a price that could escalate to $130 million should certain levels of profitability be achieved.
Well at least we know one of Garys 7 buddies...

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01-03-2013, 07:29 PM
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Don+the players held back from Disclaiming to get a deal done, Gary's response was to change key parts of HRR compliance penalties #badfaith
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NHLPA is still meeting internally. No word on whether they will walk the 4 blocks to meet the league
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01-03-2013, 07:33 PM
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Um, the GMs were also instructed to act as if the $70m was the legitimate number. So that's a little bit of talking from both sides of your mouth.
Yeah, that bit about being responsible is nonsense.

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NHL still waiting to hear from NHLPA whether they'll return for full-scale meeting. Mediator has been going back and forth between sides.

What is this High School?

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NHL still waiting to hear from NHLPA whether they'll return for full-scale meeting. Mediator has been going back and forth between sides.

What is this High School?
Hey Gary, want to end the lockout?

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01-03-2013, 07:39 PM
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Correct. $44 million RT @andystrickland: Hearing the #NHLPA is suggesting the floor stays the same at $65 million as it would be at $60 mill
This is exactly what the NHL guy told me the other day
Some - not all - small market teams are relentless to "punish" big market teams with limiting cap/dismantling teams any way they can. Some might want the floor low (Wang), but some just wanna make life difficult for others --- This is a real paradox as the players are actually negotiating for the owners for almost half the teams in the league here.
Bring in James Dolan to close this now Gary

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Don't see why the big market owners should be punished while they're the ones bailing out these slapdick franchises.

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Don't see why the big market owners should be punished while they're the ones bailing out these slapdick franchises.
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The NHLPA better walk their ***** back the 4 blocks to meet with the NHL.

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We're told mediation process continues separately with each group, no fiull bargaining tonight, will resume at 10 a.m.


Sorry man doesn't look like it's going to happen.

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01-03-2013, 08:11 PM
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Hey Gary, want to end the lockout?

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This is exactly what the NHL guy told me the other day
Some - not all - small market teams are relentless to "punish" big market teams with limiting cap/dismantling teams any way they can. Some might want the floor low (Wang), but some just wanna make life difficult for others --- This is a real paradox as the players are actually negotiating for the owners for almost half the teams in the league here.
Bring in James Dolan to close this now Gary
Hey I'm just happy that my solution regarding the cap floor was also thought of by someone else in this process

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It's not that the sides will get together at 10 a.m. Friday. That is when mediation will resume. NHL will be at its office. NHLPA separate.

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Don't see why the big market owners should be punished while they're the ones bailing out these slapdick franchises.
This basically sums up the stupidity of the whole lockout. The only people on the same page are Bettman and his 8 "broke" owners.

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01-03-2013, 08:53 PM
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This is exactly what the NHL guy told me the other day
Some - not all - small market teams are relentless to "punish" big market teams with limiting cap/dismantling teams any way they can. Some might want the floor low (Wang), but some just wanna make life difficult for others --- This is a real paradox as the players are actually negotiating for the owners for almost half the teams in the league here.
Bring in James Dolan to close this now Gary
It's crazy, sure let's just punish the teams that make the most money for this league and let hackjobs like Wang off scott free for being terrible owners. Unbelievable.

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01-03-2013, 09:02 PM
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@jessespector: Is it the NHL mediator? RT @ArizonaNewsnet: Fiesta Bowl: Section 404 women's restroom evacuated due to intoxicated male passed out on floor.

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A veteran member of the NHL’s board of governors says commissioner Gary Bettman is prepared to cancel the season on Thursday if a deal has not been reached or appears to be imminent.

The chill that has settled on NHL labour negotiations is all part of a Don Fehr plan to push commissioner Bettman into a corner for one last squeeze and there could be unfortunate circumstances for hockey fans, said the governor who requested anonymity.

The league believes Fehr is unwilling to do a deal until after Bettman has cancelled the NHL season and the union leader is now slowing the process one last time to increase pressure on the commissioner, said the governor late Wednesday night.

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01-03-2013, 10:28 PM
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The league believes Fehr is unwilling to do a deal until after Bettman has cancelled the NHL season
And how does he win with that? Not sure I would believe what someone on the BOG has to say anyway.

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And how does he win with that? Not sure I would believe what someone on the BOG has to say anyway.
Thursday is January 10th. You best believe he'll cancel the season the night of the 10th.

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Sounds as though that may have been leaked intentionally to try to convince Fehr that Bettman is not afraid to cancel the season if they don't reach an agreement.

I wouldn't read it as the doomsday prediction others might.

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Thursday is January 10th. You best believe he'll cancel the season the night of the 10th.
That's not the part I'm disagreeing with.

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Yeah, fehr is backing bettman into a corner with his series of major concessions. If he was holding out, he wouldn't have accepted a term limit and variance. Big teams and players want some hockey. Fehr decided to pass up the first decert date.

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The cap debate is its own big ball of stupid, with the NHL seeking a $60 million limit for the next full season, and the NHLPA asking for $65 million per team. Since there is an agreement that escrow will not be capped, and since Chris Johnston of the Canadian Press reported that the salary floor would be set at $44 million regardless of where the cap winds up, the actual dollar figure only serves to limit or enhance the roster flexibility of the richest teams. Players are going to get the same amount of actual dollars (50 percent of hockey-related revenue. Remember that fight?) no matter what, so the only benefit of a lower cap would be to rivals of teams like the Vancouver Canucks, who have $55.4 million worth of cap hits committed to 13 players for 2013-14, and would have to scramble like crazy to comply. The Montreal Canadiens, already in the midst of a rebuilding project, have $60.2 million — over the league’s proposed cap — committed to 16 players.

The league, then, is targeting its marquee teams in hopes of somehow sticking it to the players, who are going to get their money regardless. Great idea.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...n=jessespector

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Before the NHLPA had even filed its memorandum, the labor talks had taken a sour turn, with Larry Brooks of the New York Post reporting on Twitter about a “Belief within PA that Bettman/(NHL lawyer Bob) Batterman pulled bait and switch after initial disclaimer deadline passed.” As Elliotte Friedman of the CBC wrote later in the day, “The players were angered this morning because the HRR package received from the NHL was ‘missing’ some key language. The critical part involved penalties for teams hiding HRR. In 2011, the two sides had a dispute over what was reported by Washington and Nashville, and with such erosion of trust right now, you can imagine the reaction to this. … Even the moderate guys were cheesed, believing this to be proof the NHL is not serious about making a deal right now.”
Two of the teams now deemed as "hardliners". Criminals might be a more adept word.

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