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01-03-2013, 10:12 PM
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This is totally OT but does anybody know why Holzer is playing with the Marlies and not locked out if he signed a one way deal in the summer?

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01-03-2013, 10:15 PM
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This is totally OT but does anybody know why Holzer is playing with the Marlies and not locked out if he signed a one way deal in the summer?
Because one way deal has more to do with how much he earns than the league he's playing in. He was still AHL eligible so he won't be locked out.

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What's going on with people on Twitter saying the lockouts over?

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Anyone think that there's a chance the leafs acquire DiPietro and hold onto him? His time on the IR would get them an exemption of the cap hit would it not?

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Because one way deal has more to do with how much he earns than the league he's playing in. He was still AHL eligible so he won't be locked out.
OIC because they were on the roster last year. Fancy. Too many loopholes to track

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01-03-2013, 10:25 PM
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What's going on with people on Twitter saying the lockouts over?
Because when rumors start, they pick up speed and size like a snowball rolling down a mountain. But be prepared for Frosty to come crashing to a mushy mess.


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Anyone think that there's a chance the leafs acquire DiPietro and hold onto him? His time on the IR would get them an exemption of the cap hit would it not?
Why would anybody do that? Do you enjoy being ridiculed?

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01-03-2013, 10:34 PM
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Are any of you guys aware that in order to buyout Dipietro it would cost MLSE $24 million dollars paid out over the next 16 years ?

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calcul...06&buyout_d=15

The amnesty clause only allows it not to count against the teams cap but someone still has to pay 2/3rds his balance remaining which would be $24 mil to go away.
Well if it is a deal like Dipietro for a first round pick + for say-- komisarek they could view that as a good investment. An islanders pick could easily be top 3.

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A first rounder with a potential to be top 3 isn't worth 24 mil to a corporation. Maybe to an individual owner who disregards profit for the ability to compete would swing it...but not a corporation that has to show a profit.

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A first rounder with a potential to be top 3 isn't worth 24 mil to a corporation. Maybe to an individual owner who disregards profit for the ability to compete would swing it...but not a corporation that has to show a profit.
Tell that to rogers who paid a completely unproven and entirely less likely to succeed adeiny hechevarria 10 million dollars.

Trust me bud... 24 million over 16 years isn't going to prevent the leafs from turning a profit.

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01-03-2013, 11:30 PM
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A first rounder with a potential to be top 3 isn't worth 24 mil to a corporation. Maybe to an individual owner who disregards profit for the ability to compete would swing it...but not a corporation that has to show a profit.
Draft picks are awarded to teams for free by the NHL each season for each draft.

Some GM would have to be clinically insane to pay $24 mil for something that was obtained for free.

NO organization would support their GM tossing away their money for a draft pick, and that doesn't even factor into the possibility that the pick made may bust. Then you just paid $24 mil in this Dipietro hypothetical trade idea and got NO return on investment and your paying $1.5 mil for the next 16 years to a player no longer on your team.

The CBA is created that doesn't allow the selling of draft picks for cash and this would be a end-around attempt to the most drastic extreme to get around that.

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Trading for Dipietro has to be the dumbest thing i've ever seen suggested at this site. That's saying something.

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Draft picks are awarded to teams for free by the NHL each season for each draft.

Some GM would have to be clinically insane to pay $24 mil for something that was obtained for free.

NO organization would support their GM tossing away their money for a draft pick, and that doesn't even factor into the possibility that the pick made may bust. Then you just paid $24 mil in this Dipietro hypothetical trade idea and got NO return on investment and your paying $1.5 mil for the next 16 years to a player no longer on your team.

The CBA is created that doesn't allow the selling of draft picks for cash and this would be a end-around attempt to the most drastic extreme to get around that.
Not really sure where you're going with the CBA thing. The infamously CBA adherent Brian Burke essentially took on Kolzig's salary for a 4th rounder.

Also, did anyone say you have to take all 24 million? You can easily send them another lesser salary in return. Even still, you have no idea what the value of a lottery pick is and nor do I. A 24 million$ investment could most certainly pay off financially long term.

Plus, the 24 million is over 16 years and could essentially be saved by playing a ryan hamilton over a david steckle.

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01-04-2013, 03:10 AM
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And stop the presses, despite all the negative tone Thursday, lost was the fact that the past few days before had produced meaningful progress.

To wit:

• The NHLPA agreed to go to 10 years in CBA length, finally matching the NHL’s desire on term for the deal (although the NHLPA has an opt out after Year 7 while the NHL would prefer one after Year 8).

• The NHLPA asked the NHL to up its compliance buyout to two per team, up from one per team before the 2013-14 season. The league agreed.

• The NHL upped its salary variance rule to 30 percent, up from the 5 percent and then 10 percent demands it had had in previous offers.

Seven or eight unresolved issues remain, sources say, the three most meaningful ones being the second-year cap, the length of player contacts and the players’ pension.

Are we really going to see a season canceled over those remaining issues? Or if a season is canceled, is it more because of the dysfunctional dynamic that exists between both sides in negotiation?

Did I mention this was the most embarrassing and irrational sports labor negotiation in history?

Logic dictates a deal will get done, given what little separates both sides. But logic has been benched for long periods of this sordid game.

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Are any of you guys aware that in order to buyout Dipietro it would cost MLSE $24 million dollars paid out over the next 16 years ?

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calcul...06&buyout_d=15

The amnesty clause only allows it not to count against the teams cap but someone still has to pay 2/3rds his balance remaining which would be $24 mil to go away.

The thought process is that if there was no cap, Toronto would spend much more than the 60-65 a year on salary. Dipietro's 24 over 16 shouldn't be anything to get an upper hand on competition. Which brings us to Burke; would he think that this is too unfair a practice for his morales?

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Komisarek and Dipietro have equal cap hits for the remainder of their contracts at 4.5 per season but Komisarek's salary is 3.5 for next season and then he is a ufa, while Di Pietro's is 4.5 for the remaining years.

As far as my line if thinking is concerned, I am trying to think outside the box and while 2 firsts may be unreasonable, I think there is a deal of some kind to be made. There is a definite monetary advantage to NYI to trade DiPietro which is worth something to them.
MLSE has a tonne of money, but what is the buy-out agreement terms?

What percentage of contract is paid?

Dipietro is owed around 36 million, so how much is his buy-out? As these are special buy-outs is there a different formula?

Is he owed 24 million, 30 million?

What is the cost of a 1st. round pick?

What are the rules for buy-outs? I believe I read for a player to be considered your own player(for extension purposes) they had to be on your team the entire season. What if this is the same for these amnesty buy-outs?

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Draft picks are awarded to teams for free by the NHL each season for each draft.

Some GM would have to be clinically insane to pay $24 mil for something that was obtained for free.

NO organization would support their GM tossing away their money for a draft pick, and that doesn't even factor into the possibility that the pick made may bust. Then you just paid $24 mil in this Dipietro hypothetical trade idea and got NO return on investment and your paying $1.5 mil for the next 16 years to a player no longer on your team.

The CBA is created that doesn't allow the selling of draft picks for cash and this would be a end-around attempt to the most drastic extreme to get around that.
Yes, a lot of money to get into a long shot gamble.

Let's change it and see if paying $24 million makes more sense this way? Assuming you can buy-out someone else's player.

Komisarek - Islanders buy-out (if rules permit) or they can play him
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DiPietro - buy-out
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Two first round picks but with less gamble involved.

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What? 24mil isn't worth a pick? What if you had a chance to buy the 1st overall pick that got you Crosby or Stamkos?

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What? 24mil isn't worth a pick? What if you had a chance to buy the 1st overall pick that got you Crosby or Stamkos?
You aren't buying the first overall pick. You are buying an unknown 1st. round pick, anywhere from 1st. to 30th.

Would you give the Leafs $24 million for Colborne or Kadri?

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Someone tell me again why these multi million dollar players need a pension? Must be rough.

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Commissioner Gary Bettman announced, if deal is not reached by Thursday Jan. 10, season will be cancelled.

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NHL, player's union meeting separately with federal mediator today but have no plans yet to negotiate


Federal mediator Scot Beckenbaugh is talking with representatives from the NHL players' Association and league in an attempt to return the parties to the bargaining table after they spent most of Thursday apart.

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Commissioner Gary Bettman announced, if deal is not reached by Thursday Jan. 10, season will be cancelled.

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NHL, player's union meeting separately with federal mediator today but have no plans yet to negotiate


Federal mediator Scot Beckenbaugh is talking with representatives from the NHL players' Association and league in an attempt to return the parties to the bargaining table after they spent most of Thursday apart.
Hard deadline. I like it. Either way, closure.

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Someone tell me again why these multi million dollar players need a pension? Must be rough.
I would think it was the lower tier guys that are most concerned. Assuming it's Sidney Crosby and Ovechkin is putting a spin on it.
You often hear people exclaim that the NHLPA is only trying to protect the superstars with the new CBA bargaining but the pension is one of many factors where all the players, especially the lesser names, are looking for the best deal possible.
I just wonder if Bettman is going to get a pension even though he makes $8 million a year?

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the worst scenerio might be the best scenerio for canadians

-the NHL folds and Bettman's 30 team league concept with mostly American teams is history
-a new league is formed with 8 canadian teams and 8 american teams
-a 16 team league of mostly canadian/american players (euros would likely stay home)
-salary cap/revenue would be considerably less

can u dig?

CAN EAST
toronto
ottawa
montreal
quebec

AM EAST
philadelphia
pittsburgh
boston
new york

AM WEST
detroit
chicago
san francisco
los angeles

CAN WEST
vancouver
edmonton
calgary
winnipeg

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