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01-03-2013, 09:33 AM
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I just finished my DVR'd Raw; I have to say I think ADR's face turn can go places. He didn't get much of a crowd reaction but I prefer his change to Miz' face turn. I do think he needs to add something else to his arsenal in way of a non-submission finisher. The super kick he used is a nice choice but I wonder if Ziggler will be using that now instead of the zig-zag.

The look on Darren Young's face is great during the last Mae Young segment.
part of the reason ADR didn't get much of a reaction is that they never showed the video where he told Ricardo he had his back in house. If you had watched the previous RAW and where at the tapings, you'd be under the assumption he was still a heel after running over Santa.

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01-03-2013, 10:48 AM
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That's the way to build his character imo. Orton would be a good fit for that high profile feud. It's been a while since the US belt had any prestige
Definitely agree. And if Cesaro actually lost his title to Orton, it'd be good to have Orton carry that belt for 3-4 months and be in a long-term feud with an up/coming wrestler. That's where they ALWAYS drop the ball. They build the title, then tear it down by handing it over in 3 weeks. There has to be a transition that the fans believe. When the belts move on, they need to instantly start a good solid feud.

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01-03-2013, 11:53 AM
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Definitely agree. And if Cesaro actually lost his title to Orton, it'd be good to have Orton carry that belt for 3-4 months and be in a long-term feud with an up/coming wrestler. That's where they ALWAYS drop the ball. They build the title, then tear it down by handing it over in 3 weeks. There has to be a transition that the fans believe. When the belts move on, they need to instantly start a good solid feud.
Not only that, but an established top guy like Orton carrying a mid card title and getting good TV time would make the US belt a bit more important. As much as I love Cesaro, his 6 minute matches every 5 weeks on ppv aren't doing anything to further his career. Does Cesaro even have a real feud right now? Seemed like they were trying something with Truth, which was fine, I could get down with that...but Truth is out of the picture with his injury I would assume.

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01-03-2013, 12:20 PM
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part of the reason ADR didn't get much of a reaction is that they never showed the video where he told Ricardo he had his back in house. If you had watched the previous RAW and where at the tapings, you'd be under the assumption he was still a heel after running over Santa.
WWE is ****ing stupid. They're trying to get him over as a face, but they show him running over Santa in the same show.

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01-03-2013, 12:41 PM
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- At this time, it appears as if a Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H rematch will take place at WrestleMania. Lesnar is expected to return to WWE TV sometime in February, and will then make regular appearances to build to the WrestleMania match.

Lesnar's current deal will end right after WrestleMania. The feeling is that WWE will offer him another deal, as they were happy with the PPV numbers as well as Lesnar's performances against John Cena at Extreme Rules and Triple H at SummerSlam.

If Lesnar doesn't sign, WWE will be faced with a the annual "WrestleMania hangover" dilemma of their special attraction talents (Lesnar, The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H) leaving.

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01-03-2013, 01:14 PM
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Due to the holiday, the following numbers are estimates but here is the segment breakdown:

Kane vs. Cody Rhodes lost around 140,000 viewers from the opener. The Divas match with Natalya, Kaitlyn, Layla and Alicia Fox vs. Eve Torres, Tamina Snuka, Aksana and Rosa Mendes stayed even. Big Show vs. Sheamus in the 9pm timeslot gained around 550,000 viewers for a 2.4 rating, which is good growth.

David Otunga vs. Zack Ryder lost about 300,000 viewers. Wade Barrett and Antonio Cesaro vs. The Miz and Kofi Kingston gained about 140,000 viewers. Brad Maddox vs. The Great Khali also gained around 140,000 viewers. The segment with CM Punk, Paul Heyman and Ryback also gained 140,000 viewers, doing a 2.5 quarter rating in the 10pm timeslot and being the highest-rated segment of the show.

Daniel Bryan vs. Damien Sandow lost around 300,000 viewers. The 10-man tag with Jinder Mahal, Drew McIntyre, Heath Slater, Tensai, Titus O'Neil and Darren Young vs. The Usos, Santino Marella, Brodus Clay, Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel lost 140,000 viewers. John Cena vs. Alberto Del Rio in the Miracle on 34th Street match gained 140,000 viewers and did a 2.3 quarter rating.
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01-03-2013, 04:40 PM
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- At this time, it appears as if a Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H rematch will take place at WrestleMania. Lesnar is expected to return to WWE TV sometime in February, and will then make regular appearances to build to the WrestleMania match.

Lesnar's current deal will end right after WrestleMania. The feeling is that WWE will offer him another deal, as they were happy with the PPV numbers as well as Lesnar's performances against John Cena at Extreme Rules and Triple H at SummerSlam.

If Lesnar doesn't sign, WWE will be faced with a the annual "WrestleMania hangover" dilemma of their special attraction talents (Lesnar, The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H) leaving.

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Is it me or Lesnar will make less than 25 appearances if he comes back only in late february ? Except if he shows up at SmackDown... I doubt it
No way he already appears 15-20 times on TV/PPV

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01-03-2013, 04:46 PM
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I think he's only appeared like 10-12 times this year. There's 7 Raw's post Chamber until WM, then WM itself and Raw, which I think Lesnar will appear at. That's 9 dates. I can see him appearing at the Rumble and 1/14 Raw too.

I'm guessing dirtsheets didn't know as much as they thought with his contract. 5 million to work less than 25 dates from what it seems. The good life for Brock.

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If their match was anything like the first one, I don't want to see HHH/Lesnar. They focused on the arm and it didn't sell to the crowd. You have two beasts going toe-to-toe and the focus in on an arm? Come on, now. Give us what Cena/Lesnar did and that was beat the living **** out of one another. That's what we want.

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If their match was anything like the first one, I don't want to see HHH/Lesnar. They focused on the arm and it didn't sell to the crowd. You have two beasts going toe-to-toe and the focus in on an arm? Come on, now. Give us what Cena/Lesnar did and that was beat the living **** out of one another. That's what we want.
I hope WWE isn't stupid enough to do it again. I anticipate the NY crowd would ultimately **** all over it, especially if HHH went over. People want Taker/Lesnar. It's a bigger draw and more appealing.

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01-03-2013, 04:53 PM
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I hope WWE isn't stupid enough to do it again. I anticipate the NY crowd would ultimately **** all over it, especially if HHH went over. People want Taker/Lesnar. It's a bigger draw and more appealing.
I think it's going to be

Cena/Rock
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Punk/Undertaker

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01-03-2013, 04:57 PM
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I think it's going to be

Cena/Rock
HHH/Lesnar
Punk/Undertaker
Sadly. I'd prefer:

Cena/Rock/Punk
Taker/Lesnar

HHH isn't needed here. Or maybe HHH/Ryback vs The Shield. I just want those two top matches.

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01-03-2013, 06:04 PM
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If their match was anything like the first one, I don't want to see HHH/Lesnar. They focused on the arm and it didn't sell to the crowd. You have two beasts going toe-to-toe and the focus in on an arm? Come on, now. Give us what Cena/Lesnar did and that was beat the living **** out of one another. That's what we want.
It wasn't worthy to headline a Summerslam, that's for damn sure. I thought on TV in translated decently, albeit a little slow, but a live crowd for freaking Summerslam needs chaos and carnage.

If they're gonna do HHH/Lesnar again at WM29, they need to add an element like a cage to sell more brutality, or just go toe to toe and slug it out like Lesnar and Cena did (which was really quite awesome).

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01-03-2013, 06:30 PM
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You want a realistic match with Brock? Have him fight Trips in a Brawl for All type deal.

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I don't want to see HHH/Lesnar again. The first was not great and I have a feeling HHH will win.

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01-03-2013, 07:49 PM
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He would. And NY crowd would **** all over him.

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To be fair... the way it was written, HHH should go over.

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Vince wanted HHH to go over at SummerSlam. HHH blocked it to protect the 5 million dollar investment in Lesnar, and now HHH goes over at WM? Stupid. Lesnar should go against Taker. I really hope WWE reconsiders and they go towards Lesnar/Taker.

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01-03-2013, 10:01 PM
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originally read "Lesner should go over Taker" and was about to go off...glad i reread that...hahahah

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If they resign Brock he should win, but if they aren't going to do business with him after Mania, HHH will probably win.

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01-03-2013, 10:42 PM
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Brock needs to get his win back against Cena.

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Brock vs Taker would either be really good or really bad.

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With WWE's whole PG era / anti-bulllying campagin garbage it makes zero sense for lesnar to win at mania when he's the guy that basically bullied HHH into breaking his arm not to mention marty jennette'd HBK on a car etc. So i don't see how they could give lesnar the win one way or another.

Oh yeah then there's that whole "storyline" thing.

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Cena is the biggest bully in the WWE.

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If they resign Brock he should win, but if they aren't going to do business with him after Mania, HHH will probably win.
yeah, if they re-sign him, have him win. Get his win back over Cena possibly, build up to 'Taker or Rock at WrestleMania 30, which will surely be dubbed the biggest WM ever.

if he's not re-signing, then yes, have him lose. Who knows, if Lesnar re-signs and is willing to work the dates, maybe have him win the WWE Championship at some point. Maybe that's just my personal preference. I'd mark out if Lesnar won the title at some point.

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