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12-23-2012, 04:58 PM
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Nice to see Ryan Hartman notch a goal for Team USA against Sweden. His line has been the best offensively so far. Which isn't great because they are pretty much the 3rd line. Need more out of JT Miller, Grimaldi, and Gaudreau. Speaking of the former Whaler JT Miller, he was invisible against Finland yesterday. First game for him though. Plus with all the damn penalties that were taken, it was hard to sustain offensive pressure. They'll get it together once the 27th comes around against Germany.

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Avs reassign Heard to Plymouth.

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Which overager will that put out?

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Which overager will that put out?
Levi has not been very impressive since being sent back down, so he should be the odd man out. I cannot see them dumping MacDonald, as he is the captain, and Aleardi offers some spark on offense, which the team needs more than another underachieving defenseman.

Heard is a very good faceoff man and offensive presence, so his return will be welcome.

Any teams out there have room for an overage defenseman?

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The Rangers have an opening. Not sure what other teams do

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Levi has not been very impressive since being sent back down, so he should be the odd man out. I cannot see them dumping MacDonald, as he is the captain, and Aleardi offers some spark on offense, which the team needs more than another underachieving defenseman.

Heard is a very good faceoff man and offensive presence, so his return will be welcome.

Any teams out there have room for an overage defenseman?
I'll diagree on this one. Levi's never been the go-to for offense, and that hasn't changed in five years. He's been groomed for the shut down role, and I think he has been very successful and impressive in that position. The biggest difference I've noticed this year in his play is that he's actively looking for offensive opportunities and joining or creating rushes to a greater extent than in previous years. Plus/Minus stats can be a little misleading. Unless you've watched all or most of the games, you might not realize which players have higher plus ratings because they're usually on the ice when MV's tyring to put up points versus keeping pucks out of the Whalers' net. Levi plays when MV needs to shut down the other team, and of all the games I've seen this year and last, very few (almost none) of goals are scored on Plymouth because of mistakes or misreads by Levi. In the few cases where he is on the ice for a goal against, somone else has missed an assignment and Levi hasn't been in a position to cover the lapse. When there's no one else to rely on (such as odd-man rushes or one-on-ones, I can't remember the last time I saw him flub.

I agree that MacDonald has come along very well and is a great captain for this team, so I don't see MV making moves with either one of them. As exciting as Aleardi can be - and he sure does get us on our feet from time-to-time, I think he may a more likely piece to move. First, he's very valuable to other teams for the same reasons you cited. Second, Plymouth needs some roles players who are specialists at distributing the puck. Aleardi's a finisher, and he'd be good bait for a team that has a couple of strong, young playmakers in exchange. I dont' think its an underachieving defense that Plymouth needs to shore up. Instead, I think (as I said early in the season) that our offense needs to play better as a team. Someone (can't remember who) replied that I must be nuts considering all the firepower Plymouth has (Noesen, Rakell, Wilson, Aleardi, etc) and I agree that the Whales have an embarassment of riches (which is why there was so much hype and expectation early on), but how many close games have they lost? The difference, imho, is team work, puck distribution, and play-making. I think it's starting to get a little better recently, but more consistent goaltending and one or two unselfish playmakers could send this team deep into the playoffs. Meanwhile, we have a couple of very attractive pieces that another team should be happy to have. It'll be intersting as always to see what Vellucci does. The only bet I'm willing to take is that he won't stand pat like he did last year at the trade deadline.

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Well I do think that Levi may be the one on his way out, I have to agree with redwhiteandgreen that if it was up to me, it would be Aleardi on his way. All you have to do is review previous posts to know how i feel about his play. If it is playmakers and unselfish playmakers you want, he is not your guy. Yes...exciting at times...but not a team player and those are the guys needed to get the wins.

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Windsor has both an O/A opening and an import slot not filled. If Koko comes back
to Windsor there's a spot but lots of rumors that both he and Pavelka (the import) are headed out.

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Well I do think that Levi may be the one on his way out, I have to agree with redwhiteandgreen that if it was up to me, it would be Aleardi on his way. All you have to do is review previous posts to know how i feel about his play. If it is playmakers and unselfish playmakers you want, he is not your guy. Yes...exciting at times...but not a team player and those are the guys needed to get the wins.
If the rumors of an argument between Noesen and Aleardi causing their benching in a game earlier this season are true, then you may be right that Aleardi will be the one shipped out, in this case to help solidify the team. While I enjoy watching Alex's rushes as much as the next fan, I wouldn't have an issue with him being the one traded.

My comments about Levi were more directed to his play handling the puck in the offensive zone this season. It seems like he has mishandled more pucks than I remember him doing in past seasons. It may be a false impression being formed by a few incidents sticking out in my mind, though.

In any case, I am pretty certain it will not be MacDonald being shipped out. As redwhiteandgreen pointed out, he has steadily improved during his time here, is a hard worker, and a team leader. That is not the type of player that Vellucci parts with.

I guess the other option is to trade Heard and not disrupt the roster, but I would hate to see that. I have always liked Heard's game and think he could help the team, provided he doesn't sulk about being sent back from the AHL. Besides, this roster needs to be shaken up.

So, if I were to put odds on who goes, I'll say:

Levi 60%
Aleardi 30%
Heard 10%

EDIT: Okay, just show I know nothing, tonight Heard, Levi and Aleardi are playing against Guelph. LOL


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EDIT: Okay, just show I know nothing, tonight Heard, Levi and Aleardi are playing against Guelph. LOL
I know! How funny We are SO in the weeds. NEways, I think we'll all be surprised if MacD goes anywhere, so it comes down to what will it take to part with the others. And, if the Whalers want a high end goalie- what will it cost? The suspense of the trade deadline is one my favorite times of the seaon. The other is playoffs.

I'd be looking for a proven veteran goal tender. Any NHL-ready overage goaltenders available on teams that don't stand a chance of making the playoffs ? That's what it would take for me to give up Aleardi or Levi, but then, I'm no Velucci. The other thing that must be on some minds is, what's best for the players. Where's the best place for either of these two (or somone else)? Would be nice to see them get a chance at a mem cup in their final year, but it's got to be a team that needs their specialties... I mean, they are both highly specialized inmho.

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01-02-2013, 11:51 PM
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It will be Aleardi or Levi on their way out. If you want to shop them, you have to play them...thus MacDonald in the stands tonight.

As for the game...gotta love Ned. That kid has so much confidence and like I have said before...the team seems to play better with him behind them.

And how about Vanderweil...no goals all year and then gets three on the night. Good for him.

Looking forward to the weekend games.

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...Looking forward to the weekend games.
Ya it' going to be good, I'm going Friday against OS.

Went to the 1st game back, Saginaw, and I got a few question if someone can answer: Do these kids eat too many dinners and desserts over holiday break? It seems the guys truly take a rest. Is there a different mood with teammates in the WJC? What is the pace when the WJ players return to the OHL?

The game last Thrsd. from both sides was by far the mostly sloppy display I've seen this year. Players were banging their stick because they couldn't even dump the puck in right. Levi was not just clumsy but looked ridiculously slow. He broke with the puck in the neutral zone at one point and I had to double take because his feet looked trapped in molasses. Jones was a wreck. The only kid with jump that I saw that game was the Brat. You know what, Mahalak played and battled really hard, especially on the play reported by the website in the 3rd. That was a surreal moment...time stood still and Mahalak was genius to stop that point blank situation. I heard London was also a bobble fest and that unfortunately MM **** the bed again.

But 3 wins in 4 is a great way to start this second half. Glad MacDonald is back was reassuring to see him in the rear and also the contributions from some of the more quiet players like Meurs and Mistele. Yes I say go with Ned, I feel more...satisfied with him in net, win or lose.

Again Aleardi may be an unlettered, undrafted non-superstar but he is the backbone, and I feel represents the emotional undercurrent of this team. I think he is an exceptional role model to the other (younger) less established forwards. Every shift he's in the oppositions face. In his interviews a few years ago the little he said was about getting his nose dirty and and playing in the dirty areas, which takes guts. And why pass the puck laterally when you have the same opportunity to GET SHOTS? I always say get the the puck to the net. He will make plays too but hockey needs guys who cross and bust through 2 D because it creates chaos! I've seen so many attempts from AA that failed but the puck bops loose and picked up by another forward for a chance or further possession. Hey I won't shed a tear if he's gone for the sake of this team but I will never believe over-sized guys like Payne, Wilson, Rakell, and yea even Noesen have his sized heart.

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Legend have you seen Plymouth turn it around since Christmas it's only been 4 games but they are 3-1 and have outscored teams 17-10, Vanderweil with a hatrick, big time goaltending from Nedelijkovic. They have seperated themselves from Windsor and only 3 points back of first place. Too much talent on Plymouth for them to struggle. They could find themselves as a #2 seed or at worst maybe being a #4 still having home ice.

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Vanderweil's hat trick last night seemed to come from nowhere. What got into him?

One thing that may work in Levi's favor for staying here is that he is a Carolina Hurricanes property.

I'm glad to see Nedeljkovic back in net. Hopefully he gets at least one start this weekend. We will be at both home games.

Congrats to current Whaler Ryan Hartman and former Whaler J.T. Miller on getting the the World Juniors finals! Hopefully Sweden beats Russia this morning and they will be joined by Rakell in the title game.

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...Hey I won't shed a tear if he's gone for the sake of this team but I will never believe over-sized guys like Payne, Wilson, Rakell, and yea even Noesen have his sized heart.
Agreed- Aleardi is always going full out. We can't read too much into how the trade shakes out. Assuming they're looking for a top goalie, you gotta wonder what it would take to get one. 1. Who has the kind of goalie that the Whalers would give up Levi or Aleardi for; and 2. That same team has to have a need for one or both of those two Whalers. How sweet will the pot have to be? Could it be a one for one trade, or could we see multiple players traded from Plymouth? All we know for sure is they have to give up one overager. I know Aleardi started out with Kitchener and Belleville, but he and Levi both played on the same Compuware midget teams. It would be so cool if they could finish their junior careers in the same system, but it doesn't look that's gonna happen. If it does, that would be the biggest surprise to me. The other shocker would be if the Whalers don't go for goal tender and trade one of the overagers for something else

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Trading overagers is more difficult than other players, as you have to find a team that (1) has an OA slot available, (2) wants/needs the OA player you are dealing, and (3) has a player available for trade that you want. That really reduces the number of possible trade partners.

Based on that, I wouldn't be surprised if Vellucci ends up trading one of the OA's for a future draft pick. Available goaltenders seem scarce this year, so we may have to see how Nedeljkovic can handle the load. That's a lot to put on a 16 year old rookie, though.

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Agreed- Aleardi is always going full out. We can't read too much into how the trade shakes out. Assuming they're looking for a top goalie, you gotta wonder what it would take to get one. 1. Who has the kind of goalie that the Whalers would give up Levi or Aleardi for; and 2. That same team has to have a need for one or both of those two Whalers. How sweet will the pot have to be? Could it be a one for one trade, or could we see multiple players traded from Plymouth? All we know for sure is they have to give up one overager. I know Aleardi started out with Kitchener and Belleville, but he and Levi both played on the same Compuware midget teams. It would be so cool if they could finish their junior careers in the same system, but it doesn't look that's gonna happen. If it does, that would be the biggest surprise to me. The other shocker would be if the Whalers don't go for goal tender and trade one of the overagers for something else
Kitchener will probably be moving one of their goalies John Gibson or Franky Palazzese. Either one would fetch a Kings Ransom (Gibson slightly more) but youngsters and multiple picks will need to go back to the Rangers. I would also imagine a Ryan Murphy will also be available or included in the trade package.

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A wild finish tonight at Compuware. After playing two solid periods, the Whalers slept walked through most of the third period, blowing a 3 goal lead. A very heated pep talk by Vellucci and a well-timed power play bailed Plymouth out in the last minute, though.

I thought Nedeljkovic played a solid game. Only the third, tying goal was weak -- the others were just the result of a team that had stopped skating and thought the game was wrapped up.

For those keeping track, Levi was tonight's OA scratch. Plymouth has to get down to three OA's by noon on January 9th.

It was interesting watching Aleardi, Meurs and Vanderweil play as a line against some of Owen Sound's big guys. The Attack had a big size advantage, and it really was apparent when this tiny tot line was on the ice.

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nice to see a couple wins at Compuware this weekend and keep the win streak going. Last night the team made it interesting to say the least and I expect the third period slow down was partly a result of the very short bench. But they battled hard and got the win.

Another good 2 games for Ned. Really like this kid and his confidence.

Should be an interesting week to see if Vellucci makes a move at the deadline. Jones possible injury may change a few things for him. That didn't look good.

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Should be an interesting week to see if Vellucci makes a move at the deadline. Jones possible injury may change a few things for him. That didn't look good.
That injury definitely could affect the OA decision. If MacDonald or Levi are gone, Plymouth will be short on defense unless Crombeen is ready to come back. From the looks of Jones as he was taken off the ice, I would be shocked if he's back this season.

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Whalers fans will be happy when coach v signs Gibson and when jt miller returns from the ahl to the o for more playing time. Look out london

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Hi, Caps fan here. I notice how Tom Wilsons stats has progressed this year but how has he come along compared to last year?

Do you Whaler fans see him becoming a good power forward for Washington in a few years?

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I have a feeling the asking price for Gibson will be higher than Plymouth is willing to pay, especially after his performance at the WJC. The past four games of Nedeljkovic in net could well have been an audition to determine if he can be the starter now.

As for Miller, I would be surprised if he's sent back, but it certainly would be a nice addition.

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Do you Whaler fans see him becoming a good power forward for Washington in a few years?
Wilson looks pretty much the same this year as last season, and that is not a bad thing. He always hustles. He is not the most skilled player on the team, but has enough talent to contribute offensively.

I have not noticed him playing quite as physical this year -- the body checks seem to be down a little. Noesen has taken over as the guy hitting everything that moves... and it got him a 10 game suspension.

With his size, skill set and work ethic, I think Wilson can eventually be a power forward in the NHL. He still needs some development, though, so I would expect him back in the OHL next season.

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Trading overagers is more difficult than other players, as you have to find a team that (1) has an OA slot available, (2) wants/needs the OA player you are dealing, and (3) has a player available for trade that you want. That really reduces the number of possible trade partners.

Based on that, I wouldn't be surprised if Vellucci ends up trading one of the OA's for a future draft pick. Available goaltenders seem scarce this year, so we may have to see how Nedeljkovic can handle the load. That's a lot to put on a 16 year old rookie, though.
All that makes sense, but if all you're going to get is picks, I'd keep whichever overager is going to give me the best chance in the playoffs (whether offense or defense). How's Jones, and do you think the end of the lockout will change the complexion of things? Did defense just get more important, or could Levi go to Charlotte instead? Last week, I would have said Levi was gonna be dealt. This week, I'm not so sure.

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You are right...things did get more interesting with Jones going down Saturday. I am hearing knee and that it doesn't look good. Will make the overage decision even more difficult if it looks like he is out for a period of time. Let's hope it was not that bad after all.

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