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01-03-2013, 09:19 PM
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Totally agree. If he's insured, no reason to buy him out because his track record of being hurt will likely continue, so insurance will also eat up the bulk of his salary each year he keeps trying to play until he packs it in. Isles just need to play him for the three weeks it takes for him to have a season-ending injury.
But there is a reason to buy him out, in that it directly impacts the club by reserving (wasting) a roster spot for him. I agree that Wang won't do it for any number of reasons, but it should be done for the right reason.

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Why would insurance be paying his salary? He's never been on IR.


RD played a total of 8 games in 2011-2012 and a combined total of 47 games the last 4 seasons. It's a pretty good bet that once the season starts up, his body won't be able to take the pace, will let his down again.

The isles and DiPietro's agent could make the case to the insurance co, that DiPietro's unable to play more then a handful of games, without his hips/groin issues landing him on IR.

DiPietro would have to be willing to retire and support the team's argument.
It doesn't sound like he's willing to do that. I think after his last 2011-2012 injury and surgery, he told Newsday that retirement hadn't crossed his mind.

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01-04-2013, 09:00 AM
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There's pressure on Bettman not only from big market owners, who don't want the season cancelled, but also from smaller market owners. They don't want him making a bad deal simply to save the 48 game season.



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One imagines big market teams like the New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Montreal Canadiens want to play. So might a team like the Minnesota Wild, which is paying significant bonus money to two prized free agents and not capitalizing on that momentum.

There’s pressure on Bettman to get a deal done, but there’s also pressure on him to get the right deal done. And there have been whispers of dissatisfaction with the duration and effectiveness of this lockout on the NHL side for months – not to mention Jon Miller of NBC telling the Boston Globe that “we never had any indication that this situation with the NHL was going to last until January. It was always our understanding that this was going to be a tweak and a fix.”

But it doesn’t matter how many, or how many influential, owners are cheesed off about the lockout because all Bettman needs are eight votes to kill any effort to accept an NHLPA CBA proposal – and he has at least eight owners that can circle the wagons around him.

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01-04-2013, 09:04 AM
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There's pressure on Bettman not only from big market owners, who don't want the season cancelled, but also from smaller market owners. They don't want him making a bad deal simply to save the 48 game season.



http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...5183--nhl.html
One imagines big market teams like the New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs and Montreal Canadiens want to play. So might a team like the Minnesota Wild, which is paying significant bonus money to two prized free agents and not capitalizing on that momentum.

There’s pressure on Bettman to get a deal done, but there’s also pressure on him to get the right deal done. And there have been whispers of dissatisfaction with the duration and effectiveness of this lockout on the NHL side for months – not to mention Jon Miller of NBC telling the Boston Globe that “we never had any indication that this situation with the NHL was going to last until January. It was always our understanding that this was going to be a tweak and a fix.”

But it doesn’t matter how many, or how many influential, owners are cheesed off about the lockout because all Bettman needs are eight votes to kill any effort to accept an NHLPA CBA proposal – and he has at least eight owners that can circle the wagons around him.
It sounds like a major sticking point is the cap for next year.
players want 65 ?

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01-04-2013, 09:52 AM
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It sounds like a major sticking point is the cap for next year.
players want 65 ?
Before the press reported that Bettman had offered the 1st amnesty buyout, there were reports that some owners didn't want any amnesty buyouts.

Now we've gone from no buyouts to 2 buyouts.

I could see some of the smaller market owners dig their feet into the sand, arguing that a $65m cap is too high for 2013-2014, that having a $70m cap in 2012-2013 + 2 amnesty buyouts, gives teams the flexibility to get under the cap.

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Before the press reported that Bettman had offered the 1st amnesty buyout, there were reports that some owners didn't want any amnesty buyouts.

Now we've gone from no buyouts to 2 buyouts.

I could see some of the smaller market owners dig their feet into the sand, arguing that a $65m cap is too high for 2013-2014, that having a $70m cap in 2012-2013 + 2 amnesty buyouts, gives teams the flexibility to get under the cap.
It sound like a sudden drop to 60 is a little crazy. I think 70 this season then 65 then 60 makes sense

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It sound like a sudden drop to 60 is a little crazy. I think 70 this season then 65 then 60 makes sense
I disagree.

The nhl is giving teams until next season. Between now and Oct. 2013, we have a lot of high priced stars set to become ufas, which will reduce team payrolls and we also have the league offer two amnesty buyouts.

I think teams will have the flexibility to get under a $60m cap.

I think the problem that players want that extra cap space in the hopes of having better options: staying with their current teams or going to their top choice.

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It sounds like a major sticking point is the cap for next year.
players want 65 ?
Make it 62.5 and call it a day. Its a small number in the grand scheme of things.

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01-04-2013, 12:58 PM
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Make it 62.5 and call it a day. Its a small number in the grand scheme of things.
That's one overaged winger from the MA area.....no joke.

The cap will go up in no time.....it always does.

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I disagree.

The nhl is giving teams until next season. Between now and Oct. 2013, we have a lot of high priced stars set to become ufas, which will reduce team payrolls and we also have the league offer two amnesty buyouts.

I think teams will have the flexibility to get under a $60m cap.

I think the problem that players want that extra cap space in the hopes of having better options: staying with their current teams or going to their top choice.
so would there be no cap for one season ?

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so would there be no cap for one season ?
The NHL's offer calls for a $70m cap this season and a $60m cap for 2013-2014.

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Players choice.


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NHL players will either have a low salary cap or escrow taking a bite out of their contracts come 2013-14.

Selfishly speaking, players with contracts likely want the cap lower and players without them want it higher, making this another polarizing issue for the NHLPA to deal with.

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The isles and DiPietro's agent could make the case to the insurance co, that DiPietro's unable to play more then a handful of games, without his hips/groin issues landing him on IR.

DiPietro would have to be willing to retire and support the team's argument.
It doesn't sound like he's willing to do that. I think after his last 2011-2012 injury and surgery, he told Newsday that retirement hadn't crossed his mind.
I was just saying that the Isles have never put him on IR, as far as I know. He's always occupied a roster spot, so insurance hasn't even come into play yet. If he retired, that would be a different ball of wax.

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@TSNRyanRishaug: A huge amount of food was just seen delivered into NHL offices. Looks like another long night ahead.

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/s...74236568408064

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@TSNRyanRishaug: A huge amount of food was just seen delivered into NHL offices. Looks like another long night ahead.

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/s...74236568408064
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@TSNRyanRishaug: A huge amount of food was just seen delivered into NHL offices. Looks like another long night ahead.

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/s...74236568408064
that or dustin penner and big byuf showed up.

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I was just saying that the Isles have never put him on IR, as far as I know. He's always occupied a roster spot, so insurance hasn't even come into play yet. If he retired, that would be a different ball of wax.
When he's had his season ending surgeries, I would have thought he'd be put on IR.

In the link below, it shows where he last came off IR in August 2012.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nhl/1181/rick-dipietro

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