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Better captain: Sundin or Alfredsson?

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Mats Sundin 89 43.20%
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01-04-2013, 01:39 AM
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Better captain: Sundin or Alfredsson?

Inspired by the Koivu vs Alfie-poll.

Of the two long lasting swedish captains of the Ontario-based teams, who do you think is/was the better captain?

I know that you haven't played in the same team as them but give your most fair guess based on what you know.

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What have you done?!?!

Alfie because he doesn't leave for another team.

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Alfie, led his team to the SCF.

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Alfredsson.

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Sundin

Alfie has had some great supporting casts

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How can we possibly know?

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"I have never believed in the concept of a rental player. It is my belief that winning the Stanley Cup is the greatest thing you can achieve in hockey but for me, in order to appreciate it you have to have been part of the entire journey and that means October through June." - Mats Sundin, February 2008

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01-04-2013, 10:20 AM
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Alfie took a pay cut for the team, went without being paid so the team didn't fold and lives in Ottawa in the off season.

Sundin has played for three teams, retired and came back to a different team. Sold his house the same month he retired.

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The scary part is that Sundin garnered almost double the percentage of votes than Koivu did...

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Sundin easy. When both of them were playing on the Swedish national team, Sundin always had the C, so it got to be him. Remember, he even had it above Lidström.

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Sundin doesn't hit from behind into the boards, shoot pucks at players, or mock a counterparts suspension.

When Alfie does retire, please don't mention "class"
It's not there.

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Sundin doesn't hit from behind into the boards, shoot pucks at players, or mock a counterparts suspension.

When Alfie does retire, please don't mention "class"
It's not there.
Let it go.

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Sundin easy. When both of them were playing on the Swedish national team, Sundin always had the C, so it got to be him. Remember, he even had it above Lidström.
And only the people on that team will know why.

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And only the people on that team will know why.
I do trust them. On a team with 4 potential Cs (Sundin, Lidström, Alfredsson, Forsberg), they gave it to Sundin, must mean something, no?

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no idea

I haven't played with either of them
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I do trust them. On a team with 4 potential Cs (Sundin, Lidström, Alfredsson, Forsberg), they gave it to Sundin, must mean something, no?
No way of knowing if it means hes the best captain. For all we know they drew straws for it.

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Sundin easy. When both of them were playing on the Swedish national team, Sundin always had the C, so it got to be him. Remember, he even had it above Lidström.
This should really be all that needs to be said, I don't see how its disputable

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No way of knowing if it means hes the best captain. For all we know they drew straws for it.
Yeah that's probably what they did that and all the other times Sundin captained the national team. Boy isn't he lucky, I'm sure Alfredsson wished he was that lucky.

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No way of knowing if it means hes the best captain. For all we know they drew straws for it.
He must have gotten lucky getting the right straw for an entire decade...

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No way of knowing if it means hes the best captain. For all we know they drew straws for it.
Really? That's what you're going for? I'm gonna go with Occam's razor on this one.

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Voted Sundin because of that one time he scored that goal that won his team that game. I think it was against Calgary or something.

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And only the people on that team will know why.
That's a pretty poor argument, by that logic we can say that only players on the Leafs or Senators can know why Sundin or Alfie are captains, and we can question whether or not they should have been captains all along. That kinda thinking defeats the purpose of the whole thread and makes you a pretty big hypocrite for voting at all. The fact that he was chosen over guys like Lidstrom and Alfredsson is pretty significant, he's obviously a great leader.

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Alfie

Sundin was a great player. However, I don't think he was a great leader. While everyone would play injured through playoff series, Sundin would sit out if he wasn't healthy. I could see this not being a big deal in the regular season, but if there's any chance you can play in the playoffs, you have to play. Look at Alfie's injury in the 2008 playoffs. He was supposed to be out for 3-4 months. He returned after three weeks because the Sens were down 2-0 in the series. Did it end up helping? No. But it showed the heart Alfie has towards helping his team win at all costs.

Sundin's departure from Toronto left me on a sour note. He fully deserved a shot at the Cup, much like Alfredsson does. However, his comments posted a few posts up and what he actually did was, literally, 100% different. When the Sens were bankrupt, Alfie gave some of his pay back to the team so they could go pick up a rental player at the trade deadline.

For as much flack as the Sens got for consistently losing to the Leafs in the playoffs, the Leafs didn't live up to expectations, either. The furthest they got was the Eastern Conference Finals. I remember plenty of years where they were supposed to make the Cup Finals or win the Cup. At least Alfie and the Sens made it to the Stanley Cup Finals once, which was more than Sundin and the Leafs could say.

As for the Olympics, this is how I've always looked at it. Sundin was the face of Swedish hockey. He was a huge center with offensive skill who went #1. He had insane hype playing in the biggest Canadian market in the league. He has more points than any other Swedish player in the NHL. Lidstrom is a better player, and I see him as a better captain. But based on what I said, it's too hard not to make Sundin captain. This guy was the face of Swedish hockey.

Also, I'll add in: not meaning to dismiss Sundin of anything he's done in his career. He was an elite player. I think Alfredsson was a better leader.

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As for the Olympics, this is how I've always looked at it. Sundin was the face of Swedish hockey. He was a huge center with offensive skill who went #1. He had insane hype playing in the biggest Canadian market in the league. He has more points than any other Swedish player in the NHL. Lidstrom is a better player, and I see him as a better captain. But based on what I said, it's too hard not to make Sundin captain. This guy was the face of Swedish hockey.
You don't know anything of Swedish hockey if you think Sundin was anywhere close to the face of it. It's Forsberg all the way here.


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