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01-04-2013, 01:43 PM
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#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/s...81772125904896
Why would the PA say this? It basically eliminates any negotiating leverage they have.

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#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

Is this his opinion or is this a know fact?? If true this is huge and we will almost certainly have hockey
If it is true there is no reason for the NHL to negotiate any further at this point. Which makes me wonder why, if true, this got out. Which makes me doubt that it's true.

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No indication that the NHL wants to meet either...
This suggests otherwise:

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Both sides failed to meet in a big, formal bargaining session as more mistrust came to the forefront (more on this below). The players then began a 48-hour vote last night to again give authorization to the union to file a disclaimer of interest and essentially dissolve. As of this moment, both sides have met today with a federal mediator, but no bargaining session has been scheduled despite the league’s request.
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#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

Is this his opinion or is this a know fact?? If true this is huge and we will almost certainly have hockey
Hope the owners offer 60/40, no make whole, reduced pensions, 5 year limits, 5% variance. i am also a fan of a small market team.

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If 1000 people actually got together to make a statement outside the NHL offices they would come out and say "we tried to negotiate a deal to get the game back on the ice but you guys were too loud and we couldn't concentrate"
they probably would

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Players can't vote if there is no union representing them. Nothing to see here.

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If the players will likely vote for, there is no incentive for Fehr not to compromise as much as possible before the deadline.

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Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland
#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/s...81772125904896
If that is accurate - and as much as I like Andy, he misses about as often as he hits when he's not talking about the Blues - that is huge.

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In 14 years the average player salary very nearly doubled. They have little room to complain about mean ol' Bettman when his 'hardline' approach has led to vastly increased revenues, and maintaining unprofitable teams (which means lots of players' jobs) by taking money from the richest owners.
The former players involved in the PA also got to see their pay cut by Bettman a few times; they've had a lot of experience with Bettman. Regardless of how it got there, Bettman killed his relationship with the players long ago. There are very few players still in the league who could look at their paycheck from 14 years ago and compare it to one from last season, as well. Chances are good those players might not see a lot of difference anyways.

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Andy Strickland‏@andystrickland https://twitter.com/andystrickland/s...81772125904896

#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

Holy ****.... if true
It's Strickland...........

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They can't vote if you have no union.

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Can we seriously try this? They will probably be farting around the office tomorrow... I'll go by the office and stand there with a sign or something.... Hell, let's stand by the door and not let anyone leave til it's over.

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Players can't vote if there is no union representing them. Nothing to see here.
Is the union representing them at the moment?

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Look at 04-05, The players knew what was coming and look at how that ended. I'm not sure how you can characterize it. I feel like the other unions are just smarter than the NHLPA. The NHLPA just seem to not get it.
The Players are more unified than in 04-05. You're right that they weren't in the dark in the months and years before those CBA negotiations. The wheels were also about to fall off the PA at this time in 05... The proposed changes are less drastic this time around, but the players are much more alienated towards the NHL... I guess a proper post-mortem in 1 or 2 years will put everything in perspective.

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If true, what happened to the PA's line of "we're ready to meet at any time with no pre-conditions"?

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Is the union representing them at the moment?
I don't think they can represent themselves?

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If true, what happened to the PA's line of "we're ready to meet at any time with no pre-conditions"?
The owners probably mistakenly made the precondition that the CBA be discussed. That precondition never works for them.

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I imagine the deadline will be the date at which Fehr has for filing of DOI, that will be set after the player vote that ends in approx 28HRS. I'm guessing Wed - Thur

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A deal needs to be set in place by the 11th. The NHLPA probably won't vote until the 11th, no deal will be in place for the 12th... Doesn't really matter.

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Fehr was hired because Bettman was too aggressive to the players for 2 decades. He was brought in to beat them back into place after they went on strike in 92. Labor relations are awful, largely because of him, and it led to Fehr being hired so the PA could have their own attack dog. The PA didn't decide to hire Fehr and go to war just for fun one day.

If Bettman thought that antagonizing Fehr with the opening offer would be a fantastic idea and some sort of payback for hiring Fehr, then it doesn't cast Bettman in a positive light.
You said that the owners initial offer was insulting, poisoned the well and that it is something you fault the owners for.

I say that it is exactly the type of negotiating that should be expected once the PA hired Fehr (oh, and refused to negotiate until after the current CBA expired).

The initial offer wasn't payback, or anything even remotely personal as you paint it; rather, the initial offer was exactly what was to be expected by the PA hiring their own "attack dog" (your words to describe Fehr, not mine) and showing all indications that they wanted to hold out.

Do you honestly think that Bettman and the owners would start anywhere near the figures they felt were tolerable when they are/were negotiating with Fehr (the attack dog)?

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Andy Strickland‏@andystrickland https://twitter.com/andystrickland/s...81772125904896

#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

Holy ****.... if true
Any player who would leak something like that to the press is the new Biggest Idiot in the Whole Process

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If true, what happened to the PA's line of "we're ready to meet at any time with no pre-conditions"?
Clearly, there were preconditions that came with the lack of preconditions.

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I don't think they can represent themselves?
Well then I guess they can vote.

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Grange said the mediator has been shuffling in and out of both rooms.

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#NHL and #NHLPA continue to meet independently with the mediator who in turn is shuttling back and forth between sites

Guys. There is a huge element of negotiating when there is a mediator involved. Relax.

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