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01-04-2013, 01:57 PM
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Andy Strickland‏@andystrickland https://twitter.com/andystrickland/s...81772125904896

#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

Holy ****.... if true
That would be huge!

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I wish Clint Eastwood was the mediator
Why is there an empty chair somewhere he could talk to?

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Why is there an empty chair somewhere he could talk to?
The mediator probably wishes he was in a room with empty chairs as well.

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I'm skeptical of that leak too...but really BOTH sides owe it to fans to have votes on the 10th. Let the negotiators (such as they are supposedly doing) go back and forth till then, but if either side has a conscience for what their own constituents and the fans feel, they have to vote. Owners and players.

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01-04-2013, 01:59 PM
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It's too bad Burrows and Lapierre aren't representing the NHLPA.

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I'll stand by the NHL's front door tomorrow with a sign that says

"Selling two tickets to the Devils/Penguins game tonight. None of you care, why should I?"
Take a pic if you do.

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Hmmm. Shuttle diplomacy. It's how Kissinger liked to work.
This is about the CIA not CBA.

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What I find interesting is that before the sides made it public there was a mediator involved, no journalist talked about it, probably because they didn't know. Big thing to not know if you claim to have sources on the inside.

Now that it's public, they claim they can basically tell us what the guy had for dinner.

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It's too bad Burrows and Lapierre aren't representing the NHLPA.
I think the current group is worse and I HATE those guys.

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I think there is lots of blame to go around for both sides and their pettiness...just is ridiculous already
Sorry, but thread count is a qualitatively different level of ridiculous.

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The former players involved in the PA also got to see their pay cut by Bettman a few times; they've had a lot of experience with Bettman. Regardless of how it got there, Bettman killed his relationship with the players long ago. There are very few players still in the league who could look at their paycheck from 14 years ago and compare it to one from last season, as well. Chances are good those players might not see a lot of difference anyways.
The only year the players on average ever took a pay cut was after the last lockout, where they were offered better and still didn't play the whole year. It only took 3 seasons for the average salary to get back to almost EXACTLY where it was the year before the lockout (a record high, and then continued to increase by $14 million/team over the next 4 years.

The only reason players would feel hard-done by is if they think they have some inalienable right to always make more money, even if it jeopardizes the existence of shaky franchises. In which case Bettman put them through an entire three seasons of not making more money while insuring that no teams folded. Which means the league maintained the same number of jobs for players. While overall increasing salaries significantly...at the expense of owners' profits.

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I think we should stop assuming we know how the process works.

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I'll be in the city tomorrow. Heading to the boat show at the Javits. I think I might head to the NHL offices and just toss an old Rangers sweater on the floor. Why not?

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He did choose the career that basically requires him to play telephone I'm assuming 80% of the time.
Well, what he's doing (negotiating parties in separate locations) is called "classic mediation." I can't say for certain, but it seems to me that if that was how things were normally done in mediation, it wouldn't need that descriptor. It would just be called "mediation."

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Why is there an empty chair somewhere he could talk to?
Is that 6 years or only 5... punk.
Go ahead, make my day

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I'll be in the city tomorrow. Heading to the boat show at the Javits. I think I might head to the NHL offices and just toss an old Rangers sweater on the floor. Why not?
If both sides are in there meeting, barricade them in.

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I'll stand by the NHL's front door tomorrow with a sign that says

"Selling two tickets to the Devils/Penguins game tonight. None of you care, why should I?"
I bet you wont last 5 minutes before security gets rid of you.

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01-04-2013, 02:02 PM
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What I find interesting is that before the sides made it public there was a mediator involved, no journalist talked about it, probably because they didn't know. Big thing to not know if you claim to have sources on the inside.

Now that it's public, they claim they can basically tell us what the guy had for dinner.
Excellent point. A major detail that absolutely everyone missed.

We can't be sure that ANYONE knows what's happening in there besides the people in the room.

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Did Strickland give his source? Lavoie had a similar information in early December that the players would get to vote on an offer. I believe we never got the source and the news died down... I assume it must come from the PA's Executive Board because they would have the authority to force a vote by the membership on a proposal? Please, we want that source!

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I wish Clint Eastwood was the mediator

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Haven't they already said they have no self-control, that's why they need a new deal?

They need to be saved from their own reckless spending.
Wrong wrong wrong so 100% wrong.

Fehr sued the hell out of MLB for not paying absolutely maximum escalation value on salaries and made them pay a quarter billion in collusion fees.

If owners don't recklessly spend, Fehr will sue them.


Get it??

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Look at 04-05, The players knew what was coming and look at how that ended. I'm not sure how you can characterize it. I feel like the other unions are just smarter than the NHLPA. The NHLPA just seem to not get it.
The problem is entitlement, I remember a Taylor Hall tweet saying "we just want what's fair".

You get paid millions to play with a piece of rubber...shut the **** up about fairness.

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What I find interesting is that before the sides made it public there was a mediator involved, no journalist talked about it, probably because they didn't know. Big thing to not know if you claim to have sources on the inside.

Now that it's public, they claim they can basically tell us what the guy had for dinner.
Screw logic.

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as many of said, CBA negotiations + twitter=

these types of buisness deals are not meant for play by play analysis. I know the reporters are doing their job, but its a pointless exercise.

Nothing will happen until the 11th. Its as clear as day.
That's why I am so glad to stay far far away from twitter. Half the people who post twitter messages, post messages that are so useless and dumb. Like the one about a women canceling her NYR season tickets. No one and I mean no one cares about that. But someone found it so important to post it here. God I hate twitter. I'll wait until serious lockout news gets broadcast on TV, radio or NHL.com before I take anything being tweeted seriously.

Oh no! I have to wait 5-10 minutes to get from twitter to other media organizations. What am I gonna do? I am so late to the party of breaking news!

I can wait the few minutes. For my money, twitter just sucks.

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That would be huge!
Should've been done after every offer.

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