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Which teams benefit the most from a shortened season?

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01-03-2013, 07:46 AM
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With the end of the lockout looming and a shortened season around the corner. It got me thinking about teams that always seem to start off really well for about half a season and then fall off the face of the earth, and then there are teams that are garbage and then come spring, play a ridiculous game of catch up only to miss the playoffs by a point as the 9th seed.

So given that the sample size this year will be much smaller, which teams do you think will do well enough for the short amount of time to make the playoffs that normally wouldn't be considered a playoff team given a regular 82 game schedule?
I think the Kings benefit the most.

When a team wins the Cup they play well into June, then they have to stick around and do the parade and lots of press and so on. I'm not saying it is a hard thing for them to do, just that training camp comes a heck of a lot sooner for the Cup winner than even the Cup loser.

When the Bruins won the Cup some of those guys had a 2 week vacation from Boston before they came back for camp. After something as intense as winning 4 playoff series and then all the celebrations then you have to go right to work planning your new season. They need to have a place to live, some of them sign contracts. etc.

So I think this is great for the Kings in that way.

It also may be good for a team like Toronto who the last year was a playoff team for half the season.

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01-03-2013, 03:48 PM
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It's hard to actually pick a specific team, but with a shortened season by the time the playoffs come around I wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge surprise or two making it, like Toronto, NYI, Edmonton, or Columbus. There's always the teams that start out strong but can't maintain it over an 82 game schedule, so these guys have a better chance of breaking their slump in a shortened season.

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01-03-2013, 06:35 PM
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Does anybody have the standings after game 48 last year?

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01-03-2013, 07:01 PM
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2 factors...

1-deep teams will make it
2-luck with little to no significant injuries

The Stanley cup winner will be the team with both #1 and #2.

So who does that leave?

I like Vancouver again to challenge for the 1 seed IF Kesler stays healthy..
Kesler wouldnt even be healthy to start the year on the 19th i believe...

This is pointless anyways. Season will be canceled soon.

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01-03-2013, 07:04 PM
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The Pens, because Crosby is only good for 25-50 games a season. They will go beast mode with their 'full' lineup.

This is only half sarcasm.


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01-03-2013, 08:21 PM
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Gaborik was slated to miss the first half of the season with an injury. The Rangers will have him for a full 48 games it appears. Also, they'll likely avoid the mid-season slump that Lundqvist exhibits every season. Finally, Torts system won't drain the team so badly since they won't be going hard for 82 regular season games.

I'm sure a case can be made for pretty much every team...
And what are the chances Lundqvist hit's his midseason slump in May>

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Does anybody have the standings after game 48 last year?
Couldn't find it so I just calculated these last night. I doubled checked so everything should be okay, but I might have missed something. So if anyone sees an error feel free to bring it up.

Obviously one can't predict how a 48 game season will go based off things like this. There are many things that may or may not factor in a shorter season, but for speculation fun, here's what I got.

Read as: Position, Team, Wins, Loses, OTL, Points, ROW

Eastern Conference (Last 48 Games)

#-Team------W-L-OT-PTS-ROW
1 Pittsburgh--- 32 14 2 66 26
2 Carolina----- 23 15 10 56 22
3 Ottawa------25 17 6 56 22
4 New Jersey--29 14 5 63 25
5 New York R--29 16 3 61 26
6 Philadelphia--26 17 5 57 22
7 Washington --25 17 6 56 22
8 Buffalo-------23 17 8 54 18
9 Tampa Bay---24 19 5 53 23
10 Boston-------25 20 3 53 19
11 Florida-------20 16 12 52 16
12 New York I---23 20 5 51 18
13 Winnipeg-----21 22 5 47 14
14 Montreal-----18 21 9 45 14
15 Toronto------18 24 6 42 17


Western Conference (Last 48 Games)

#-Team------W-L-OT-PTS-ROW
1 Vancouver--30 11 7 67 23
2 St. Louis----29 12 7 65 25
3 Los Angeles-24 13 11 59 21
4 Nashville----30 14 4 64 26
5 Phoenix-----24 14 10 58 21
6 Detroit------27 16 5 58 19
7 Anaheim----25 14 6 56 23
8 Calgary-----22 14 12 56 19
9 Colorado----25 18 5 55 22
10 Chicago-----24 17 7 55 21
11 San Jose----24 18 6 54 19
12 Dallas-------21 23 4 46 16
13 Columbus----20 25 3 43 19
14 Edmonton---17 24 7 41 14
15 Minnesota---15 27 6 36 8

League (Last 48 Games)

#-Team------W-L-OT-PTS-ROW
1 Vancouver--30 11 7 67 23
2 Pittsburgh--32 14 2 66 26
3 St. Louis----29 12 7 65 25
4 Nashville----30 14 4 64 26
5 New Jersey--29 14 5 63 25
6 New York R--29 16 3 61 26
7 Los Angeles-24 13 11 59 21
8 Phoenix-----24 14 10 58 21
9 Detroit------27 16 5 58 19
10 Philadelphia--26 17 5 57 22
11 Anaheim-----25 14 6 56 23
12 Carolina-----23 15 10 56 22
13 Ottawa------25 17 6 56 22
14 Washington--25 17 6 56 22
15 Calgary------22 14 12 56 19
16 Colorado-----25 18 5 55 22
17 Chicago-----24 17 7 55 21
18 San Jose----24 18 6 54 19
19 Buffalo------23 17 8 54 18
20 Tampa Bay--24 19 5 53 23
21 Boston------25 20 3 53 19
22 Florida------20 16 12 52 16
23 New York I--23 20 5 51 18
24 Winnipeg----21 22 5 47 14
25 Dallas -------21 23 4 46 16
26 Montreal----18 21 9 45 14
27 Columbus---20 25 3 43 19
28 Toronto-----18 24 6 42 17
29 Edmonton---17 24 7 41 14
30 Minnesota---15 27 6 36 8


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Couldn't find it so I just calculated these last night. I doubled checked so everything should be okay, but I might have missed something. So if anyone sees an error feel free to bring it up.

Obviously one can't predict how a 48 game season will go based off things like this. There are many things that may or may not factor in a shorter season, but for speculation fun, here's what I got.
The Leafs were 8th at game 48 last season.

Since you asked.

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01-04-2013, 02:31 PM
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The Leafs were 8th at game 48 last season.

Since you asked.
At game 48? I did the standings using only the last 48 games. So games starting after Christmas.

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I see a lot of groin, back spasm and shoulder injuries in a short condensed season.
Yeah, the Blues tend to hit their injuries midseason, so they could strike near the end of a 48 game season.

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01-04-2013, 02:37 PM
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This is like the 50th time this thread has started.

Flip the script. Who will hurt from the shortened season?

Vancouver had a terrible start last year, and if I recall correctly, had a bad start the year before as well.
By bad though, it was just average.

The extra time will let the surgical enhances players recover and make the travel this year far less demanding for when the real season starts.

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I think playoff bubble teams have a much better chance at making the playoffs if there is a shortened season.
A few teams started off great then cooled down as the season went on, and some teams started pretty poorly and then played very well when it was too late.

If a top team has a slow start, it greatly helps those bottom teams.

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Interesting. I see it as more of a benefit for team's without a decent backup. The Flames, for example, can pretty much ride Kiprusoff for almost all of the games without worrying about the fatigue he normally faces playing 70+ games a season.
But those 48 games would be played over a much shorter period. They would be playing about 10 more games over the same period of time.

Take a look at the nhl original plan, for instance the Canadiens were set to play 37 games between jan19 and the end of the season. The season will be pushed back a bit but not much and you got to ends up with 48 games. Backups will ends up playing more imo (in % obviously)

(Or at least it would be wise to do so... It will probably ends up the complete opposite, but there are going to be quite a few exhausted goaltenders (and injuries) when the playoffs starts)

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It'll be interesting to see what effect this has on teams like Vancouver that go on streaks and dominate the season but run out of gas towards the end.

It could definitely benefit teams like that.

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I think the Kings benefit the most.

When a team wins the Cup they play well into June, then they have to stick around and do the parade and lots of press and so on. I'm not saying it is a hard thing for them to do, just that training camp comes a heck of a lot sooner for the Cup winner than even the Cup loser.

When the Bruins won the Cup some of those guys had a 2 week vacation from Boston before they came back for camp. After something as intense as winning 4 playoff series and then all the celebrations then you have to go right to work planning your new season. They need to have a place to live, some of them sign contracts. etc.

So I think this is great for the Kings in that way.

It also may be good for a team like Toronto who the last year was a playoff team for half the season.
Kings number 1 for sure. People choose to ignore it or downplay it because they are good but so were/are the Bruins (and Chicago) and they both looked gassed in their return season. As much as making it to the final has to be a negative in the same light the after party and then celebration up through opening night takes its toll too. And its a toll that often isn't felt until 4 months later when you are missing that endurance and training from the summer.

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At game 48? I did the standings using only the last 48 games. So games starting after Christmas.
Makes sense...nobody was worse.

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The crappy ones. Leafs, Blue Jackets, Ducks, Wild etc.

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They'll likely be in their own beds after 35 of the 48 games.

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Has to be the Leafs. They either start out horrible and then are too far out when they get hot, or start out hot and suck terribly to lose their playoff spot. This way, they'll either be amazing and make the playoffs or be **** and get a good pick

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Basically, any of the bad teams.

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A wonder how TV scheduling would affect a shorter season? Teams like the Leafs typically get a cherry schedule to accommodate HNIC on Saturdays or the like. That scheduling manipulation often gives those with preferential TV treatment a boost in the standings...especially early on during the season.

Over the course a long season, the better teams usually manage to adjust regardless of scheduling...but would they adjust as well over the course of a mere 48 games or so?

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I think Edmonton would do a bit of damage this year if we got a shortened season.

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Absolutely has to help the Kings, I would think. First off, and most importantly, Jonathan Quick had a procedure on his back and is (I believe) fully healed right now. Without the lockout, he'd have missed time. Second, no cup hangover. A lot of our guys are staying fresh and active playing all around the world but they won't have to start sluggish hopefully because they've been off from NHL level competition for a long time now.

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