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Elias Lindholm vs Barkov

View Poll Results: Who would you take between Barkov and Elias Lindholm
Barkov 116 64.44%
Elias Lindholm 64 35.56%
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01-04-2013, 03:27 PM
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Many says Lindholm is better offensively but I have yet to see proof of this. I mean shouldn't he be already producing more points than Barkov if that is the case?
Have you watched him play in this tournament?

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01-04-2013, 03:31 PM
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Many says Lindholm is better offensively but I have yet to see proof of this. I mean shouldn't he be already producing more points than Barkov if that is the case?
different leagues

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01-04-2013, 03:32 PM
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Have you watched him play in this tournament?
Such a small sample. Going by this logic RNH shouldn't be NHL-star and we all know that's just not true.

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01-04-2013, 03:33 PM
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Don't be a stat hogger please, Lindholm is playing against better competition in the SEL and is putting up stats that are incredible for a guy his age.
Some would argue that FEL is as good if not better because of all the NHL talent they have in the league atm.

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01-04-2013, 03:35 PM
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Such a small sample. Going by this logic RNH shouldn't be NHL-star and we all know that's just not true.
Funny, you're judging players on stats but you're going off on him because he judges them on what he's seen. Yes it's a small sample size I have seen both in their respective leagues. The SEL is a better league than the FEL is.

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01-04-2013, 03:36 PM
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Some would argue that FEL is as good if not better because of all the NHL talent they have in the league atm.
And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?

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01-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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Funny, you're judging players on stats but you're going off on him because he judges them on what he's seen. Yes it's a small sample size I have seen both in their respective leagues. The SEL is a better league than the FEL is.
I'm not judging player by stats. I'm judging their offensive play by stats. Everything else than offensive play is harder to judge (two-way game, physicality, IQ etc) but offensively its how you manage to produce. And also just because you say SEL is better than FEL doesn't make it true.

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01-04-2013, 03:41 PM
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And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?
umm, no?

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01-04-2013, 03:41 PM
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Please, just because Barkov has all of the things you mentioned doesn't mean that he is far above Lindholm. If you compare them defensively yes it's not close Barkov is way better. But Lindholm has better hockey IQ, is a better skater and overall is better offensively and shows more upside than Barkov does. Barkov is very young and still has alot of room for improvement and might end up being better who knows?

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01-04-2013, 03:45 PM
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I've seen a lot more of Lindholm than Barkov, and I understand that Barkov is younger. I want to like Barkov, but... I've been less than impressed in the WJC games I've watched.

The only thing I see Barkov has over Lindholm is size. Lindholm has great offensive instincts, passing ability, playmaking and shot. He's aggressive, and willing to go into the crease to make plays. He's a good skater and great on the forecheck.

With Barkov, last year at the WCJ I noticed how slow he seemed and I'm not sure his skating has improved since then. Maybe he's still growing, and that can have an impact on players (Mats Sundin, for instance, I recall having trouble adjusting his skating around that age)

I'd rate Lindholm better in every category currently. Barkov might have higher potential since because of his size. But I like Lindholm's compete level as well. As a Jackets fan, I'd rather they draft someone like Lindholm who's highly competitive and has an intensity to his game.
This. Lindholm is simply better in every area of the game. Much more dynamic player. Do you really think Barkov can and will play in the NHL next season with that sluggish skating?

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And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?
Actually no. The Elitserien (SEL) agreed that no NHL players would be allowed in the league. There have been NHL players in the Swedish 2nd-tier league, though.

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And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?


There is maybe few NHL-players in SEL.. Or is there?

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01-04-2013, 03:47 PM
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And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?
Not many have played in SEL (Elitserien), since they have a gentlemans agreement between clubs not to take any NHL players on short term contracts (but still some did take a few, like Frölunda had Duchene, Stålberg as "injury replacements").

That's why there have been more NHL'ers in Swedens 2nd tier (Allsvenskan).

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And no players from the NHL went to Sweden?
Actually most locked out NHL players who went to Sweden went to Allsvenskan, which is the second highest level. Elitserien/SEL has very few lockout players. (Alex Steen being one of them?)

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This. Lindholm is simply better in every area of the game. Much more dynamic player. Do you really think Barkov can and will play in the NHL next season with that sluggish skating?
You're putting too much weight on the skating. Tavares is fine example that you can develop skating easily if you work hard. but you can't get more height and hockey IQ. Barkov is also over 10cm bigger than Tavares.

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01-04-2013, 03:55 PM
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I'd take Barkov. He is the maturest and most complete under 18-year-old I've ever seen. He is so comfortable with every decision he makes on the ice, and he almost always makes the right play. That just screams hockey IQ. That combined with a strong, huge body, and you've got yourself a hockey player. For me, that's just too much to pass even if Lindholm has all the skills in the world. What I'm saying is that what I saw from Lindholm isn't enough to put him ahead of Barkov right now.

Then again I've seen a dozen or more games from Barkov and 1 from Lindholm, and I'm finnish, so who am I to give an unbiased opinion.

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01-04-2013, 03:59 PM
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umm, no?
Umm yes. Matt Duchene is playing in frolunda now.

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There is maybe few NHL-players in SEL.. Or is there?
And why would you shake your head I was still right a couple of NHL players still went to the SEL.


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This. Lindholm is simply better in every area of the game. Much more dynamic player. Do you really think Barkov can and will play in the NHL next season with that sluggish skating?
From what I've seen, this simply isn't true.

And concerning what you said about the NHL, I doubt he will play in the NHL next year. He probably would hold his own though.

From my limited viewings:

Skating: Lindholm
Athleticism: Lindholm
Shot: Probably Lindholm
Playmaking: Equal
Hands: Equal? Lindholm maybe better in 1 vs 1 type of stick handling, Barkov with the puck possession thing, shielding the puck etc.
Size: Barkov
Strength: Barkov
Physicality: Lindholm
Hockey IQ: Barkov
Defensive awareness: Barkov
Maturity: Barkov

Please comment and make your own adjustments (and add categories), I'd be interested to hear what people think.

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01-04-2013, 04:08 PM
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Let's stop arguing over who we think is better, both different players. Share your opinion on who you would take.


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01-04-2013, 04:10 PM
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Hitting is all about timing. If you're smallish you can be very effective hitter and Lindholm is good hitter.
I agree, but also it's good remember that players who's playing hard and hitting lot, it's hard to be like that whole career. That kind of player has also lot of injury problems usually like Saku Koivu or Tuomo Ruutu.

Jagr, Thornton, Sundin etc. don't have to hit lot because they are big guys who is/has elite skills, so they can focus to other things.

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From what I've seen, this simply isn't true.

And concerning what you said about the NHL, I doubt he will play in the NHL next year. He probably would hold his own though.

From my limited viewings:

Skating: Lindholm
Athleticism: Lindholm
Shot: Probably Lindholm
Playmaking: Equal
Hands: Equal? Lindholm maybe better in 1 vs 1 type of stick handling, Barkov with the puck possession thing, shielding the puck etc.
Size: Barkov
Strength: Barkov
Physicality: Lindholm
Hockey IQ: Barkov
Defensive awareness: Barkov
Maturity: Barkov

Please comment and make your own adjustments (and add categories), I'd be interested to hear what people think.
Shot is Barkov no doubt about it.

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Shot is Barkov no doubt about it.
Ok, limited viewings on Lindholm and everyone is hyping his offensive game so idk

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Shot is Barkov no doubt about it.
Yup, Lindholm is more of a playmaker has a good shot but Barkov's is better.

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Ok, limited viewings on Lindholm and everyone is hyping his offensive game so idk
His offensive game is that good, I think he is a can't miss prospect.

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