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Flyers' 2013 regular season schedule (posts #1 and #552). CBA officially ratified.

View Poll Results: How will you show your displeasure with the lockout when NHL hockey returns?
I will not attend any live games 8 10.96%
I will not attend live games, nor will I purchase NHL merchandise 22 30.14%
I will attend live games, but fewer games than in previous years 5 6.85%
I have season's tickets, but I will spend less on merchandise and concessions 3 4.11%
I have season's tickets and I will skip the first game 1 1.37%
I will be so happy that hockey is back that I will attend as many or more games than usual 14 19.18%
Purplemonkeydishwasher 20 27.40%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

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01-04-2013, 01:11 PM
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So wait they ask for and get and now they're upset?

What a bunch of idiots.


thats what i was just about to say.

i hope i somehow misunderstood cause that is just ridiculous.

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01-04-2013, 01:41 PM
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So wait they ask for and get and now they're upset?

What a bunch of idiots.


They're upset because Bettman said [paraphrasing]: Some GMs would like to dismantle their teams because they gave out some contracts they regret.

Thin skinned players then get mad and want to know which GMs made said comments.

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01-04-2013, 01:54 PM
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#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play

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#NHL players will have a chance to vote on whatever offer exists at the deadline...players give me the impression they'll vote to play
I hope that's accurate.

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01-04-2013, 02:18 PM
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I hope that's accurate.
as do i but i don't really get how that would work. the voting process would probably take a couple days and if the deadline is Jan. 11th then they would have to vote on whatever offer is on the table on say Jan. 9th or so.

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Love watching my twitter time line. Fun stuff watching everyone spin this in to which ever "side" they are supporting.

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No difference. If this whole thing only results in a shortened season, it's just water under the bridge.

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Per @RenLavoieRDS, NHLPA wants minimum salaries to be $800,000 in year 9 if they agree to 10-year CBA

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They're upset because Bettman said [paraphrasing]: Some GMs would like to dismantle their teams because they gave out some contracts they regret.

Thin skinned players then get mad and want to know which GMs made said comments.
Players not in meeting also expressing outrage over buyouts

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Gionta: "Guys were signing good faith with the cap being at a certain point so the biggest thing is trying to honour what was already given and not cutting guys down or making buyouts".
Clearly players also have no understanding of how CBA"s work ,, It said in there contract when signing that all deals are subject to terms of future CBA"s

So there was never a guarantee financially ever when they signed there contracts that they would be paid in full

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Just because the CBA gives the owners an out if they negotiate a different CBA, doesn't mean it's any less of a crappy move to sign a bunch of contracts right before a lockout without the intention of ever honoring them. It destroys trust between the two parties and makes already bad relations even worse. Bettman and the owners have clearly poisoned the well at least three times during this debacle...all of it was avoidable, and only served to damage negotiations. If you're a car salesman and you intentionally sell someone a lemon, they're going to be malcontent if they have to deal with you to get a new car right after it fails. The same applies here.

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Players not in meeting also expressing outrage over buyouts



Clearly players also have no understanding of how CBA"s work ,, It said in there contract when signing that all deals are subject to terms of future CBA"s

So there was never a guarantee financially ever when they signed there contracts that they would be paid in full
its obvious that the players don't read their contracts. i guess it's up to their agents to properly inform them of those details and it apparently never happened. making comments like that after the fact just makes them look stupid. and from what i understand this is a pretty big issue too.


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Just because the CBA gives the owners an out if they negotiate a different CBA, doesn't mean it's any less of a crappy move to sign a bunch of contracts right before a lockout without the intention of ever honoring them. It destroys trust between the two parties and makes already bad relations even worse. Bettman and the owners have clearly poisoned the well at least three times during this debacle...all of it was avoidable, and only served to damage negotiations.
this is also true. if a player is a yr or two into a long term contract i could see how you'd be upset but honestly most buyouts are not used in those situation. it's more likely a player in Briere's situation would be bought out imo.

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Players knew lockout was coming and drastic changes were coming with next CBA

Signing contracts and thinking they would not be effected by coming changes is foolish and again points to players unable to grip common sense

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Players knew lockout was coming and drastic changes were coming with next CBA

Signing contracts and thinking they would not be effected by coming changes is foolish and again points to players unable to grip common sense
They trusted the owners to not screw them over. The owners decided to betray that trust, and it has had a negative effect. The owners shot themselves, and by extension us as fans, in the foot. Getting the owners to honor those contracts has been a major sticking point and has created a lot of anger for the PA. Unions have long memories.

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this is also true. if a player is a yr or two into a long term contract i could see how you'd be upset but honestly most buyouts are not used in those situation. it's more likely a player in Briere's situation would be bought out imo.
I get the sense that the biggest source of outrage comes from guys like Leipold and Jacobs signing players to big contracts and then leading the charge against them. Guys like Briere are impacted far less than those players, since Briere has already been paid most of his contract.

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They're upset because Bettman said [paraphrasing]: Some GMs would like to dismantle their teams because they gave out some contracts they regret.

Thin skinned players then get mad and want to know which GMs made said comments.
The owners are free to do whatever the hell they want with the buy outs. Should have thought about the downside before asking for it.



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Using current CBA numbers (obviously subject to change):

Players over the age of 26 will still get 2/3 of their remaining contracts, plus they'll get to sign a new contract with their new club. Players under 26 get 1/3 of their remaining contract.

As an example, say Shea Weber is bought out and he has $100M (for ease of explanation) left on his contract; he gets $66.7M, plus the opportunity to sign somewhere else.

I understand being upset if you're a player that has settled into a city seemingly for the remainder of your career and then you're bought out. I imagine a lot of these buyouts will be for high cap hits with only a couple years remaining, though.

Edit: Beef, Suter & Parise will each get over $57M if they're bought out and I highly doubt that Minnesota would use their buyouts on either of these guys.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412797

nice link,

also The mediator is meeting with both parties seperatly, in 2 different buildings. This actually is good, think progress can be made with fehr not looking at bettman directly.

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Using current CBA numbers (obviously subject to change):

Players over the age of 26 will still get 2/3 of their remaining contracts, plus they'll get to sign a new contract with their new club. Players under 26 get 1/3 of their remaining contract.

As an example, say Shea Weber is bought out and he has $100M (for ease of explanation) left on his contract; he gets $66.7M, plus the opportunity to sign somewhere else.

I understand being upset if you're a player that has settled into a city seemingly for the remainder of your career and then you're bought out. I imagine a lot of these buyouts will be for high cap hits with only a couple years remaining, though.

Edit: Beef, Suter & Parise will each get over $57M if they're bought out and I highly doubt that Minnesota would use their buyouts on either of these guys.
I wasn't referring to the buyouts, I was referring to the owners attempt to refuse the make whole thingy.

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412797

nice link,

also The mediator is meeting with both parties seperatly, in 2 different buildings. This actually is good, think progress can be made with fehr not looking at bettman directly.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing both Bettman and Fehr in a monkey knife fight. Step 1 - get knife from monkey. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - one man leaves on his feet.

Ok, enough with that nonsense. I do, however, want to compliment the level of discourse in this thread series. Even voices from far afield are met with intelligent responses and respectful disagreement. There are some very well-informed posters here with solid opinions - even the one with whom I disagree - and facts, overall, have not been lacking.

This thread series has been as good a centralized place as any to get Tweets, quotes, news and their repercussions about this epic embarrassment.

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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing both Bettman and Fehr in a monkey knife fight. Step 1 - get knife from monkey. Step 2 - ... Step 3 - one man leaves on his feet.

Ok, enough with that nonsense. I do, however, want to compliment the level of discourse in this thread series. Even voices from far afield are met with intelligent responses and respectful disagreement. There are some very well-informed posters here with solid opinions - even the one with whom I disagree - and facts, overall, have not been lacking.

This thread series has been as good a centralized place as any to get Tweets, quotes, news and their repercussions about this epic embarrassment.


well here is the fight



Fehr plays peter, gary is the chicken taking bets let me know who you think wins

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He knew the risks, I guess. RT @reporterchris: Scot Beckenbaugh was also part of the mediated sessions between NHL/NHLPA in February 2005.
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Mediation still going on thanx to the fed's scot beckenbaugh
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Mediator still going strong at #cba talks
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I wonder if Scott, is actually making any progress but they are still meeting which is very good sign.


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Apparently he's constantly going from the NHLPA hotel to the NHL hotel, which is 3 blocks away. He looks like he's up there in years and it's pretty cold, so I hope somebody has paid for a driver for the guy. Putting up with the bickering AND the NYC winter would be obnoxious.

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Apparently he's constantly going from the NHLPA hotel to the NHL hotel, which is 3 blocks away. He looks like he's up there in years and it's pretty cold, so I hope somebody has paid for a driver for the guy. Putting up with the bickering AND the NYC winter would be obnoxious.
actually even overnight sometimes in times square its quicker to walk.

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Apparently he's constantly going from the NHLPA hotel to the NHL hotel, which is 3 blocks away. He looks like he's up there in years and it's pretty cold, so I hope somebody has paid for a driver for the guy. Putting up with the bickering AND the NYC winter would be obnoxious.
NYC winter? 5C! Holy cow, he's probably freezing to death!

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