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01-04-2013, 04:09 PM
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You paint a sad, sad picture my friend - watercolors and brushes supplied by the very league we love to watch.

How disheartening.
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01-04-2013, 04:20 PM
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How would getting a higher first round pick position be a bad thing? Maybe i misread that section...
Because the pick isn't ours! We were expecting the 2013 1st rounder we gave for Nash to be a late one...but if the season is lost there will be some kind of lottery. We could (although unlikely) end up with the 1st overall pick...just like Pittsburgh did last time around. That would certainly change the value of the Nash trade. Even if it isn't the 1st overall, the odds are greater that it will be higher than what we would have earned by playing a season. Just another reason a lost season hurts us big time.

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01-04-2013, 04:24 PM
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Because the pick isn't ours! We were expecting the 2013 1st rounder we gave for Nash to be a late one...but if the season is lost there will be some kind of lottery. We could (although unlikely) end up with the 1st overall pick...just like Pittsburgh did last time around. That would certainly change the value of the Nash trade. Even if it isn't the 1st overall, the odds are greater that it will be higher than what we would have earned by playing a season. Just another reason a lost season hurts us big time.
Uhhhh but that means our SECOND round pick would be high! Face it, our 1st rounder is gone, but if we do place high in the lottery, it will make all of our FOLLOWING picks high!

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01-04-2013, 04:32 PM
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You know the NHL would rig the lottery to give the Rangers the #1 pick so that they can't have it

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Uhhhh but that means our SECOND round pick would be high! Face it, our 1st rounder is gone, but if we do place high in the lottery, it will make all of our FOLLOWING picks high!
Well 05 was a snake draft. So if the same scenario ensued we'd be hosed.

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01-04-2013, 04:51 PM
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You know the NHL would rig the lottery to give the Rangers the #1 pick so that they can't have it
Just who would that #1 overall be?

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If they end up cancelling the season after coming this close to reaching a deal, it will be the ultimate slap in the face to the fans & NHL community - the straw that breaks the camels back. It would be so much easier to deal with a cancelled season if they were never close to reaching a deal and if the sides had been far apart and remained far apart. But to lose the entire season when they've come this close to reaching an acceptable compromise to salvage the season? It would be the ultimate blasphemy. They are playing with fire right now and I don't think they understand how much long term damage they will be doing to not only their own pocketbooks but to the future health & viability of the league as a whole. There are no winners with a cancelled season. Everyone loses. I hope they realize this before it's too late.

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If they end up cancelling the season after coming this close to reaching a deal, it will be the ultimate slap in the face to the fans & NHL community - the straw that breaks the camels back. It would be so much easier to deal with a cancelled season if they were never close to reaching a deal and if the sides had been far apart and remained far apart. But to lose the entire season when they've come this close to reaching an acceptable compromise to salvage the season? It would be the ultimate blasphemy. They are playing with fire right now and I don't think they understand how much long term damage they will be doing to not only their own pocketbooks but to the future health & viability of the league as a whole. There are no winners with a cancelled season. Everyone loses. I hope they realize this before it's too late.
they didnt realise this during the last lockout, why would they learn this now... NHL needs new management that cares about the sport, the fans and the players, not just bucks..... if Bettman doesnt know why he gets booed, hopefully he will know by now.. not all of his fault but he has to take some of the blame...

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they didnt realise this during the last lockout, why would they learn this now... NHL needs new management that cares about the sport, the fans and the players, not just bucks..... if Bettman doesnt know why he gets booed, hopefully he will know by now.. not all of his fault but he has to take some of the blame...
Theres plenty of suitable reactions - but "owners that care about the game and not bucks" sure sounds a lot like someone who should make a multi-million $$$ investment and not expect an ROI. Thats just unacceptable.

The NHL would be better served if some of the owners weren't so stupid, but thats not a PC argument.

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01-04-2013, 05:18 PM
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Did anyone hear Ron Maclean on Sirius xm radio 15 min ago say that the deal was done?
Did he say that?

A lot of guys have been saying a deal is done. Like that Burton guy last month saying it could be ending in a few days, and some other guy on twitter yesterday who is a player agent.

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Just who would that #1 overall be?
Traded to Columbus, no?

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01-04-2013, 05:33 PM
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Guys step away from the ledge. Until its official that the season is over, keep your heads up. It is a process, a ****** one albeit, but hang in there.

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01-04-2013, 05:34 PM
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Traded to Columbus, no?
I was thinking more like ~ What player goes number one in next years draft? Nevermind, dead grapes have taken over my evening...

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01-04-2013, 05:43 PM
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If we give up Jones/Barkov/Lindholm/MacKinnon/Druoin for Rick Nash I'm done with this team

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If we give up Jones/Barkov/Lindholm/MacKinnon/Druoin for Rick Nash I'm done with this team
So because youre a paranoid fan youre crying out that youre done with a team that gave up a first round pick for a nhl all star? And over a "potential" prospect that may or may not be Pavel Brendl....yeahhhh ok.

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So because youre a paranoid fan youre crying out that youre done with a team that gave up a first round pick for a nhl all star? And over a "potential" prospect that may or may not be Pavel Brendl....yeahhhh ok.
In terms of cap flexibility with the ELC on a young star player as opposed to the 7.8m, it goes beyond a 1for1 swap.

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So because youre a paranoid fan youre crying out that youre done with a team that gave up a first round pick for a nhl all star? And over a "potential" prospect that may or may not be Pavel Brendl....yeahhhh ok.
The only thing I would have liked to have seen was for Sather to have protected the pick from the impending lockout. Everyone knew there was going to be at least some lost games...and therefore a possibility of a lost season. I would have liked for him to have put something in the deal that if by some chance we win the lottery they get our 1st in 2014 instead, and perhaps our 2nd in 2013 as well. I have no idea if he even tried to do something like this...but I've been thinking about it since the deal went down.

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In terms of cap flexibility with the ELC on a young star player as opposed to the 7.8m, it goes beyond a 1for1 swap.
LOL you do realize that had there been a season, the rangers wouldnt have a top 5 pick let alone a top 20 pick, right? Quit your complaining. It was the right move and a fair deal for both teams.

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LOL you do realize that had there been a season, the rangers wouldnt have a top 5 pick let alone a top 20 pick, right? Quit your complaining. It was the right move and a fair deal for both teams.
Of course.

If the Rangers give up a top 5 pick in this deep draft, then the trade is awfully lopsided in favor of the Blue Jackets. Assuming the lottery is in our 'favor' this time.

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If we give up Jones/Barkov/Lindholm/MacKinnon/Druoin for Rick Nash I'm done with this team
We've got no cap-space, no 1st rounder, no 60 pt 3rd line center, OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!!!!!1

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Of course.

If the Rangers give up a top 5 pick in this deep draft, then the trade is awfully lopsided in favor of the Blue Jackets. Assuming the lottery is in our 'favor' this time.
But the rangers didn't give that pick up thinking it'd be a top 5 pick. They gave it up thinking it'd be a 25-30 pick, which even in a deeper draft, could be 2nd round talent. You can't operate your team around a lockout expecting a whole season to be cancelled. They had a chance to significantly improve the offense after being two wins away from a SC visit and they did just that. I don't care if it's a lottery and every team would have a chance to win that number one pick. If there is/was a season the rangers wouldn't have been there and I can live with that.

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But the rangers didn't give that pick up thinking it'd be a top 5 pick. They gave it up thinking it'd be a 25-30 pick, which even in a deeper draft, could be 2nd round talent. You can't operate your team around a lockout expecting a whole season to be cancelled. They had a chance to significantly improve the offense after being two wins away from a SC visit and they did just that. I don't care if it's a lottery and every team would have a chance to win that number one pick. If there is/was a season the rangers wouldn't have been there and I can live with that.
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