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01-04-2013, 11:34 AM
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You don't know what your talking about in regards to Hjarlmarsson, he is a defensive specialist and a hard working PK and shut down guy. Sometimes last year you would see Keith paired with Oduya, does that make Oduya<Seabrook? no that is just Q's style of coaching.

On the cup winning team you should re watch the playoffs, do yourself a favour. Hammer was there to clean up Campbell's pinches and gaffs for 2 years.


Considering Edmonton has been in the toilet defensively for like 5 years they could use a guy is better than Smid/Peckham etc.

The reason Chicago fans are using him in a deal is simple: Many teams need a guy like him to help out defensively, a solid piece
Are you saying Hjarlmarsson is better then Smid.

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01-04-2013, 08:53 PM
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Lol fans from both sides don't like this, to me it favours Edmonton big time.


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Hjarlmasson > Gagner


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Gagner isn't that intriguing from Chicago's perspective to have to give up Hjarlmasson and the slight upgrade they might get in Jones over Bickell (If one at all)
I understand Chicago need to maintain their depth on defence with Hjarlmasson and at the end of your post what are you sayin about Jones?


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01-04-2013, 09:00 PM
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I understand Chicago need to maintain their depth on defence with Hjarlmasson and at the end of your post what are you sayin about Jones?

Why exactly are you laughing? No way in hell would I trade Hammer for Gagner. Value wise it's close but it makes no sense for either team

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01-04-2013, 10:08 PM
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Why exactly are you laughing? No way in hell would I trade Hammer for Gagner. Value wise it's close but it makes no sense for either team
Because the Oilers have no need for Hammer. We need top pair defense, not depth guys. We have enough depth guys. What we don`t have, on the other hand, is a reason to move Gagner for defensemen.

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01-04-2013, 10:10 PM
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You don't know what your talking about in regards to Hjarlmarsson, he is a defensive specialist and a hard working PK and shut down guy. Sometimes last year you would see Keith paired with Oduya, does that make Oduya<Seabrook? no that is just Q's style of coaching.

On the cup winning team you should re watch the playoffs, do yourself a favour. Hammer was there to clean up Campbell's pinches and gaffs for 2 years.


Considering Edmonton has been in the toilet defensively for like 5 years they could use a guy is better than Smid/Peckham etc.

The reason Chicago fans are using him in a deal is simple: Many teams need a guy like him to help out defensively, a solid piece
Mentioning Smid and Peckham together is just wrong. Smid has become one of the best kept secrets in the NHL. And easily better than Hammer.

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01-04-2013, 10:36 PM
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So Hjalmarsson can play top 4 & important defensive situations on a stanley cup winner but not on your team?

If you added Hjalmarsson he would be ahead of Smid, and I like Smid but Hjalmarsson is a bit better verison of him.

With your team he would probably be top 4 along with N.Schultz, J.Schultz, and Whitney, then you could have Smid on the 3rd pair with Petry, Sutton, or Peckham.

It would actually add nice depth and more mobility since Smid would move down in that trickle down effect.
And by this post I know you have no clue what you are talking about.

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01-04-2013, 10:39 PM
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You don't know what your talking about in regards to Hjarlmarsson, he is a defensive specialist and a hard working PK and shut down guy. Sometimes last year you would see Keith paired with Oduya, does that make Oduya<Seabrook? no that is just Q's style of coaching.

On the cup winning team you should re watch the playoffs, do yourself a favour. Hammer was there to clean up Campbell's pinches and gaffs for 2 years.


Considering Edmonton has been in the toilet defensively for like 5 years they could use a guy is better than Smid/Peckham etc.

The reason Chicago fans are using him in a deal is simple: Many teams need a guy like him to help out defensively, a solid piece
Uhhhh Seabrook is > Oduya, > means greater than big guy.

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01-04-2013, 10:44 PM
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You don't know what your talking about in regards to Hjarlmarsson, he is a defensive specialist and a hard working PK and shut down guy. Sometimes last year you would see Keith paired with Oduya, does that make Oduya<Seabrook? no that is just Q's style of coaching.

On the cup winning team you should re watch the playoffs, do yourself a favour. Hammer was there to clean up Campbell's pinches and gaffs for 2 years.


Considering Edmonton has been in the toilet defensively for like 5 years they could use a guy is better than Smid/Peckham etc.

The reason Chicago fans are using him in a deal is simple: Many teams need a guy like him to help out defensively, a solid piece
Are you suggesting Smid and Peckham are equal?

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01-04-2013, 10:57 PM
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Overpayment by the Hawks but I'm someone who actually wants Gagner. As someone said he's a good player to fill 2C while TT/Mcneill/Pirri develop. The potential lineup is too tempting:

Saad/Toews/Hossa
Sharp/Gagner/Kane
Stalberg/Bolland/Shaw
(Some combination of Mayers, Carcillo, Beach, Hayes, Frolik, and Smith on the 4th line)

1st line: Amazing two way play. If Saad gets hot this line is money.
2nd line: Flat out playmaking and sniping. Kane and Gagner use some of that London Knights chemistry to set up Sharp for some sick goals.
3rd line: Speed, grit, scoring, and shut down D. What more do you need?

Yeah I'd probably do the trade. Hesitant to throw in Mcneill though...

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01-04-2013, 11:01 PM
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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason

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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason
How is Hjalmarsson better than Smid? Smid played against top lines and played well in a shutdown role. I'm not sure how it makes them biased for picking the superior player.

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01-04-2013, 11:12 PM
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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason
Smid is way better than Hammer. They're pretty similar except that Smid is way more physical and blocks way more shots and can be relied on to play way more minutes against way better players.

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01-04-2013, 11:51 PM
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This whole Smid/ Hammer bleating is preposterous.

Smid is pretty darn good and I would go as far as to say is a top flight shut down guy. His stats place him on par with Seabrook defensively and a much better shot blocker.

Hammer is and always will be a complimentary defenseman who can look like a star when paired with an elite guy like his years with Campbell, who pretty much made Hammer. Hammer with Leddy shows his flaws since Leddy is a complete turnstyle in his own end and forces Hammer to do a ton more work instead of allowing him to just focus on what his role is.

That being said, Hammer isnt what the Oilers need, they have enough bottom guys and need a full fledged top pairing guy, which Hammer isnt. How in gods name anybody is trying to say Hammer is better then Smid is complete pish. Hammer blocks shots and is decent on the PK, thats pretty much all he brings. He doesnt hit worth a dime and is lilly soft. Put him back with Campbell who can dictate everything with his elite vision and suddenly Hammer becomes the next Lidstrom who Bowman stupidy tried to compare him to and is the only thing Hawk fans have to try and justify Hammer and his horrible contract.

As for Gagner, Hammer is decent value, but the Oilers dont have the depth at center nor the need for him, case closed.

And anybody trying to say the Hawks defense is better then the Oilers....it isnt. And stats pretty much say the same thing.

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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason
not just Oiler fans, some people that are Blackhawks fans, some people that are Blue Jackets fans, some people that are Panthers fans but most real fans of game understand whom the better defenceman is overall.


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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason
Wow... No words for this gem. It's like you're parodying yourself.

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01-05-2013, 12:32 AM
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Wow... No words for this gem. It's like you're parodying yourself.
The only advantage Smid has on hammer is draft position. Both guys are stay at home defenders and have equal size and ability, Hjalmarsson has more offensive ability slightly and was instrumental in the hawks winning the cup. Just because Smid has high value in EDM doesn't make him better, he would be on the 3rd pairing at best in Chicago

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This whole Smid/ Hammer bleating is preposterous.

Smid is pretty darn good and I would go as far as to say is a top flight shut down guy. His stats place him on par with Seabrook defensively and a much better shot blocker.

Hammer is and always will be a complimentary defenseman who can look like a star when paired with an elite guy like his years with Campbell, who pretty much made Hammer. Hammer with Leddy shows his flaws since Leddy is a complete turnstyle in his own end and forces Hammer to do a ton more work instead of allowing him to just focus on what his role is.

That being said, Hammer isnt what the Oilers need, they have enough bottom guys and need a full fledged top pairing guy, which Hammer isnt. How in gods name anybody is trying to say Hammer is better then Smid is complete pish. Hammer blocks shots and is decent on the PK, thats pretty much all he brings. He doesnt hit worth a dime and is lilly soft. Put him back with Campbell who can dictate everything with his elite vision and suddenly Hammer becomes the next Lidstrom who Bowman stupidy tried to compare him to and is the only thing Hawk fans have to try and justify Hammer and his horrible contract.

As for Gagner, Hammer is decent value, but the Oilers dont have the depth at center nor the need for him, case closed.

And anybody trying to say the Hawks defense is better then the Oilers....it isnt. And stats pretty much say the same thing.
excuse me while I die of laughter

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Edmonton should at least give Chicago some lube in the proposed trade.

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01-05-2013, 02:02 AM
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The only advantage Smid has on hammer is draft position. Both guys are stay at home defenders and have equal size and ability, Hjalmarsson has more offensive ability slightly and was instrumental in the hawks winning the cup. Just because Smid has high value in EDM doesn't make him better, he would be on the 3rd pairing at best in Chicago
This needs to be framed for the worst posts of all time. Even with how underrated Smid is, if you start a poll, I bet you the voting is 90%+ for Smid. The notion that Hammer is an equal defenseman to Smid is just ridiculous

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excuse me while I die of laughter
Yes, because stats dont mean a thing.

I mean, Smid played against the other teams top lines, hits like a truck and blocks shots with his face if he needed to, which pretty much sounds like Seabs.

Unlike many, I take into consideration that many here dont see other teams play and just focus on their team, and thats fine. But its not out of reach that other teams players are pretty good, just saying.

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Smid is way better than Hammer. They're pretty similar except that Smid is way more physical and blocks way more shots and can be relied on to play way more minutes against way better players.
When you mention physical, the last thing comes to mind is Hjarlmarsson.

Some Hawk fans think just because Hjarlmarsson received that ridiculous offer sheet from the Sharks he is a top 4 D. Back then he had the potential, but it never panned out, and now at best he's a 3rd pairing D.

Smid is not as good defensively as Seabrook, in some aspects he's close and Smid maybe better in a couple of areas like the PK, but he's not in the same class as Seabrook.

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Wait... Let me get this right... Are oilers fans saying Smid>Hammer? I know I voted for Edmontons Fanbase In that bias poll for a reason
You made a fool of yourself in the RNH/Giroux thread, and you are making a fool of yourself here. Smid is undeniably better then Hammer, its not that close either.

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Im not going to say Hammer is better than Smid, but to say he's soft and can't hit worth a dime is just as wrong. He doesn't go out of his way to make hitting, or hitting big, a big part of his game, but he will lay one down when appropriate. And Hammer has been in the leaders for shot blocking for the past two years I believe.

I will say that Hammer has some growing up to do- he's not consistent which is probably the biggest knock against him, but I think he's still only 25, and he continues to make small strides to improve his game. He has a horribly underused but great shot, and the cup run really showcased the kind of talent he *can* be if he keeps working ha.


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Im not going to say Hammer is better than Smid, but to say he's soft and can't hit worth a dime is just as wrong. He doesn't go out of his way to make hitting, or hitting big, a big part of his game, but he will lay one down when appropriate. And Hammer has been in the leaders for shot blocking for the past two years I believe.

I will say that Hammer has some growing up to do- he's not consistent which is probably the biggest knock against him, but I think he's still only 25, and he continues to make small strides to improve his game. He has a horribly underused but great shot, and the cup run really showcased the kind of talent he *can* be if he keeps working ha.

Smid blocked 42 more shots than hammer last year.

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Hammer is a solid skating stick checking player who blocks a ton of shots, I'm sure Edmonton allows a lot more shots in year against than Chicago,

for example if Edmonton allows 2700 shots against per year Smid blocks lets say 150
then Chicago allows 2200 shots and Hammer blocks 100 the difference may not be so huge,

Edmonton fans are awful in regards to player value, just look at the package I offered it was fair and a bit of an overpayment.

Just like all the fans voting Eberle>Crosby and Toews on a best Canadian poll, EDM fans dominated.


IMO, Smid>Hammer because of contract only, and best believe many people compared a young Hammer to Kronwall, he still has room to grow IMO, Smid however not so much.

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