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Everything Canada (goaltending, coaching, future)

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01-04-2013, 09:13 PM
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One more at crunch time:

Behind Hockey Betting Lines: USA vs. Sweden (by Chris Wassel)
Link: http://thehockeywriters.com/behind-h...usa-vs-sweden/

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01-04-2013, 09:14 PM
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01-04-2013, 10:13 PM
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No other country "expects" gold. No other country's fans go to rival country's games just to boo them (also remember the age of the players some of you are booing). Take it for what it is Canada; A simple tournament between young hockey players. You guys take it way too seriously as fans.
I went to the tourny in Calgary last year and did not see a single team or player get booed. Matter of fact Canadian fans were out in droves to watch every single game that was played even if it was the relegation games which did not involve the Canadian team.

I have also been watching the tourny ever since they started playing it on t.v in Canada. [does any other country even televise the tourny?] and haven't seen nor even heard of this booing.

Where have you experienced Canadian fans going to games just to boo? I've never seen nor heard this other then the booing of Jack Johnson in Vancouver after he made his childishly disparaging remarks about Canada and our hockey.

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01-04-2013, 10:14 PM
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The team and steve spott were to blame

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01-04-2013, 11:10 PM
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I do not get the Subban fascination. He was the worst in training camp and was given the starting position anyways. I predict a Dan Cloutier career.
I'm not being racist at all when I say this, but his style reminds me so much of Kevin Weekes. Watch some clips of him from the early 2000's and you'll agree with me. I predict a Kevin Weekes like career. I don't think Subban will ever be a legit number 1 goalie in the NHL.

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01-04-2013, 11:17 PM
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I'm not being racist at all when I say this, but his style reminds me so much of Kevin Weekes. Watch some clips of him from the early 2000's and you'll agree with me. I predict a Kevin Weekes like career. I don't think Subban will ever be a legit number 1 goalie in the NHL.
Always an indicator that something racist is on the way. How on Earth can Kevin Weekes be said to have ever had a distinct style?

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01-04-2013, 11:18 PM
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The team and steve spott were to blame
Subban was not consistent over the tournament. It's expected to win over Germany and Slovakia. The only win that was convincing was against Russia. The other wins where meh.

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01-04-2013, 11:20 PM
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Subban wasn't "lights out" or anything, but as someone who watched that whole US game it was obvious Canada wasn't up for that game at all. They turned over the puck constantly in the first two periods. They barely had scoring chances, they barely penetrated the US zone and they were outplayed by a hungrier team who wanted it more. I don't know how any goalie in the world could have stopped that first goal. The second one too he was screened. The third one was a nice shot and he probably went down too early but again you've got Spott's old boy Murphy on the ice who got dangled around in the first place to allow a scoring chance. Subban looked weak on the 4th goal but that's where it ends. Canada had given the game away by then. They just simply weren't interested in scoring.

A friend of mine told me that perhaps the only saving grace in that game could have been to pull Subban after the 2nd goal. Not so much to punish Subban, but to wake the team up in front of him. I don't know if that would have changed much but this team was a mixed bag of problems and Subban was just a small part of it, certainly not the whole thing.

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01-04-2013, 11:30 PM
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So it was Subban's fault that the US was in the Canada zone for pretty much the first 2 periods? Canada was awful up and down. Blaming this on any one player, especially the goalie is ridiculous and detracting from the real reason why Canada lost

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01-04-2013, 11:39 PM
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Subban wasn't "lights out" or anything...
But he needed to be. Therein lies the point I was making. When a team isn't playing well, they need their goalie to be lights out good to hold them in until the team gets it together. Average doesn't cut it in a game this big. You need to be great.

Binnington did what he could to do just that, but by then it was too late because it was already 4-0. Spott should have changed goalies after the third goal for this very reason, and to change the momentum before it was too late.

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01-04-2013, 11:46 PM
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Subban was not good, but no, he was not the problem. Canada goes down 2-0 no matter the goalie, the first two goals were out of his control. If your teammates block your view, then its on them.

The team did not play like a team that was prepared. That's on the whole team and the coaching staff. US played like a team, and won handily.

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01-05-2013, 12:05 AM
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Nah.

Canada scored 1 goal. And it's not like the American goalie had to stand on his head too. Canada's offense just wasn't there. That's your problem right there.
Not so sure about this. The game could have easily been tied if not for Gibson. Canada had many great opportunities to score.

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01-05-2013, 12:11 AM
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Subban was not good, but no, he was not the problem. Canada goes down 2-0 no matter the goalie, the first two goals were out of his control. If your teammates block your view, then its on them.

The team did not play like a team that was prepared. That's on the whole team and the coaching staff. US played like a team, and won handily.
I agree with this, but also thought that goals 3 and 4 might have been stoppable if Subban didn't go into butterfly too early (#3) or play too deep in his net (#4). Having better positioning to make those stops could have kept his team in the game long enough to get some confidence.

Not saying its his fault, but like most of the team & staff, he could have done more.

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01-05-2013, 12:24 AM
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While Subban wasn't the problem, if you switch Subban with Gibson the game might have went to Canada..

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01-05-2013, 01:06 AM
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2013 WJC: Canada’s Loss To Team USA Alarming (by Mark Ritter)
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Interesting that he notes Jenner as being a standout. He pressured well on the PK, but I thought he was terrible otherwise. In fact, he was one of the keys to an early goal against, first giving up the puck by diving away from contact as hard as possible, then chasing in his own zone instead of playing a position. He's a good athlete and has skill, but he needs better coaching. Watch him swoop around instead of stopping where the play is.

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01-05-2013, 03:36 AM
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Subban is athletic, but has a lot to learn. He's really good with everything down low against his pads. Up higher, not great.

and I've also used K.Weekes and M.A.Fleury as comparisons as well. Garon is another really close comparison right now.


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01-05-2013, 03:56 AM
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Canada didn't have the offensive zone pressure like US did but they had a lot of high percentage shots... Gibson was amazing.

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01-05-2013, 07:47 AM
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So will Canada still have the best players in 2030?

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Some of the players that are around then won't have been born yet or will be 1/2.

Too far away to tell.

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As long as Canada puts the most funding into development, there is only one answer to this question

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No, the world will end in 2029.

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In 2030???

Sorry, a little too far into the future to say IMO

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No. Spain or Portugal will.

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Made a mistake, meant to say no. I think they will be on an even playing field.

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Goaltending was not the problem.

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