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01-04-2013, 05:14 PM
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why so angry?
Habs fan don't like that he's putting Galchenyuk to shame.

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Habs fan don't like that he's putting Galchenyuk to shame.
Please, 3 of his 7 goals were gimmies... left wide open by crappy defensemen that don't understand positioning... Also, he was guaranteed ice time since he has those incriminating photos of Housely.

In all seriousness, he got playing time with players that actually play... Kurally, not so much.

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I'm not sure why anyone pm'ed you based on your post because it had no substance. The only reason you gave for saying he wasn't going to make it was because of his size and you are blaming others for saying he will make it because of size. The others are just stating that your lone negative input of size does not make a good evaluation of NHL potential.


And not sure I follow your thinking on him looking or built like a 10 year old. I'm not thinking this will sink in for you but a scout would rather see a young player dominating who is built and looks 4 or 5 years younger than a player who is dominating but appears to be a grown man already.
It isn't just his size. Calgary plays an aggressive style, their forecheck is why they have been dominating the Oil for the past few years.

His success in the NHL depends on his use on the PP, and how Hartley will coach the team. Under the Sutter regime he would have been out of place.

Yes Calgary desperately needs more high end skill in the top 6. But at the same time, with Iginla eventually on the way out. They risk losing their edge.

He is very much a top 6 or bust player. I never doubted the kids skill. It is whether he can transition into the NHL.

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i like gaudreau a lot and i have for a while now, but i'm seriously puzzled about his odds of becoming an impact player. as mentioned, he is exceptionally small, and it doesn't seem like he genetically can add any substantial amount of weight. also, he has essentially zero element of grit to his game.

phenomenally smart hockey IQ, great skater, great hands, great pressure performer. all elements that make me want this kid to overcome the odds, but there doesn't seem to be any relevant precedent for a player of this sort that went on to be successful.

nathan gerbe is 28lbs heavier than he is. my heart wants this kid to set the world on fire but my head tells me that he's going to have a tough uphill battle (not unlike the battle he's had to be successful in hockey up until this point). i truly hope he's successful.

(oilers fan)

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It isn't just his size. Calgary plays an aggressive style, their forecheck is why they have been dominating the Oil for the past few years.

His success in the NHL depends on his use on the PP, and how Hartley will coach the team. Under the Sutter regime he would have been out of place.

Yes Calgary desperately needs more high end skill in the top 6. But at the same time, with Iginla eventually on the way out. They risk losing their edge.

He is very much a top 6 or bust player. I never doubted the kids skill. It is whether he can transition into the NHL.
No s/h*t ! There are many reasons why any prospect will not make the NHL

My response was to DogsFan post where his size was the only thing he pointed out and then he questioned everyone who did the same thing on the flip side of the arguement.

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Tyler Ennis was a first rounder and he has very similar body type to Gaudreau. The only difference is that Ennis had a full year of development on Gaudreau in their respective draft years. Gaudreau was one of the youngest players taken in the 2011 draft, while Ennis was one of the oldest taken in 2008. Would anyone doubt that Gaudreau would have been a first rounder in the 2012 draft after coming off a PPG season in the NCAA, and a National Championship?
This youngest player in the draft to the oldest player in the draft is so over used.

Players get drafted in their draft years period, no matter how you would slice it one year is a 365 day period.

His birthday didn't hold him back in the 11 draft his size did.

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This youngest player in the draft to the oldest player in the draft is so over used.

Players get drafted in their draft years period, no matter how you would slice it one year is a 365 day period.

His birthday didn't hold him back in the 11 draft his size did.
His point was, had Gaudreau been that much older and already had his PPG rookie season in the NCAA under his belt, there is no way he would have been a 4th rounder.

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This youngest player in the draft to the oldest player in the draft is so over used.

Players get drafted in their draft years period, no matter how you would slice it one year is a 365 day period.

His birthday didn't hold him back in the 11 draft his size did.

I simply disagree. If he was a month older he would have been a first round pick in 2012, and at worst an early second round pick. I honestly don't see how you could disagree with that either. Yes his size was the main reason for him dropping, but so was playing in a lesser known program (Dubuque) due to his inexperience and age.

For example if you go and take a look at recent drafts, 4 out of the last 6 players selected first overall have had the added benefit of missing out on their prior draft year by less than two months. The extra 10 months these players had on the youngest players in their respective draft class is huge for not only physical growth and experience but for the exposure it brings as well.

Like I said, do you honestly believe that if Gaudreau came into the 2012 draft with a PPG season in the NCAA, and Hockey East Tournament MVP under his belt that he would not have challenged for a first round selection? That one month made a HUGE difference in this specific situation. I am not saying it does for every player, but it certainly affected Gaudreau and the Flames.

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Habs fan don't like that he's putting Galchenyuk to shame.
9 pts to 8 is putting him to shame? Not to mention Gaudreau has been getting about twice the ice time of Galchenyuk the entire tournament and only exploded offensively in the last 3 games.

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9 pts to 8 is putting him to shame? Not to mention Gaudreau has been getting about twice the ice time of Galchenyuk the entire tournament and only exploded offensively in the last 3 games.
3 games is all it took him to match Galchenyuks full tournament production? Not too bad.

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3 games is all it took him to match Galchenyuks full tournament production? Not too bad.
Galchenyuk's tournament production took place over roughly the same amount of games. Started strong, fizzled out. Gaudreau was the same, just in reverse.

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It isn't just his size. Calgary plays an aggressive style, their forecheck is why they have been dominating the Oil for the past few years.

His success in the NHL depends on his use on the PP, and how Hartley will coach the team. Under the Sutter regime he would have been out of place.

Yes Calgary desperately needs more high end skill in the top 6. But at the same time, with Iginla eventually on the way out. They risk losing their edge.

He is very much a top 6 or bust player. I never doubted the kids skill. It is whether he can transition into the NHL.
Without Kipper, I'm fairly certain the Oil are even if not have an edge on us this coming year already. Its not like Calgary defense corp is anything to boast about and the Oil have offense oozing out the wazoo.

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And not sure I follow your thinking on him looking or built like a 10 year old. I'm not thinking this will sink in for you but a scout would rather see a young player dominating who is built and looks 4 or 5 years younger than a player who is dominating but appears to be a grown man already.
Gaudreau is not magically going to change his build. Even if he does put on muscle, there is only so much you can do before its too much.

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Why does everyone use Corey Locke as an example? I his name has been mentioned so much in this thread lol.

Problem with Locke was he was slow AND small.
Locke played 4 or 5 seasons with the Bulldogs, whom I cover.

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I think your getting PM's from ppl (which they dont need to be doing) because you made an assinine comment with nothing to back it up. I can say "Andrew Luck will only ever have one good year in the NFL and that was this year" but I should clarify why I think that otherwise I risk ridicule. Gaudreau is tearing up the NCAA and the WJ's while built like a ten year old....is this supposed to be a bad thing? Kid is a late bloomer physically. Is he going to look like a 10 year old his whole life? Better than being small and developing early (like say Rocco Grimaldi).
Andrew Luck is already at the top level there is. NCAA season is what, 34 some odd games? Hard to really compare to the rigors of the NHL like the physicality as well as the travel, etc. All I said was "I hardly expect his game to translate well to the NHL" meaning, I don't think you'll see him dominating the competition like he does against junior players. IMO Grigorenko is the steal of the draft at #12.

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Why does everyone use Corey Locke as an example? I his name has been mentioned so much in this thread lol.

Problem with Locke was he was slow AND small.
This.

If Locke had Gaudreau's speed he probably would have been an NHL player. Locke was/is slow as hell though.

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This guy reminds me of baby luigi for some reason.

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Gaudreau is not magically going to change his build. Even if he does put on muscle, there is only so much you can do before its too much.



Locke played 4 or 5 seasons with the Bulldogs, whom I cover.



Andrew Luck is already at the top level there is. NCAA season is what, 34 some odd games? Hard to really compare to the rigors of the NHL like the physicality as well as the travel, etc. All I said was "I hardly expect his game to translate well to the NHL" meaning, I don't think you'll see him dominating the competition like he does against junior players. IMO Grigorenko is the steal of the draft at #12.
Last season Gaudreau played 44 games.

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Gaudreau is not magically going to change his build. Even if he does put on muscle, there is only so much you can do before its too much.



Locke played 4 or 5 seasons with the Bulldogs, whom I cover.



Andrew Luck is already at the top level there is. NCAA season is what, 34 some odd games? Hard to really compare to the rigors of the NHL like the physicality as well as the travel, etc. All I said was "I hardly expect his game to translate well to the NHL" meaning, I don't think you'll see him dominating the competition like he does against junior players. IMO Grigorenko is the steal of the draft at #12.
Grigorenko and gaudreau werent drafted the same year.... so....

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The guy has been good in the wj. But he would be eaten up in the ahl forgot about the NHL.

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The guy has been good in the wj. But he would be eaten up in the ahl forgot about the NHL.
Right now? Sure but so would 95% of the players in the WJC but he is over a ppg in the last 2 years in the NCAA including out scoring former teammate Krieder over their last two years in the NCAA and he light up the nhl playoffs. No one knows what will happen but to write him off solely on his size is very poor choice.

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Not only his size. I haven't seen anything special about him. And to be successful in the NHL at that size, their has to be something special.

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The guy has been good in the wj. But he would be eaten up in the ahl forgot about the NHL.
I doubt that. Very players can produce at above a point per game pace as college freshman and then find the AHL overwhelming.

Take Nathan Gerbe for example. His freshman year at Boston College he had 18 pts in 39 games. His sophmore year 47 pts in 41 games. He left after his junior year and produced 56 points in 57 games in the AHL.


Gaudreau had 44 points in 44 games as a freshman and 23 points in 14 games this year as a sophmore. The idea that'd he'd get eaten up in the AHL doesn't seem likely.

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I doubt that. Very players can produce at above a point per game pace as college freshman and then find the AHL overwhelming.

Take Nathan Gerbe for example. His freshman year at Boston College he had 18 pts in 39 games. His sophmore year 47 pts in 41 games. He left after his junior year and produced 56 points in 57 games in the AHL.


Gaudreau had 44 points in 44 games as a freshman and 23 points in 14 games this year as a sophmore. The idea that'd he'd get eaten up in the AHL doesn't seem likely.
They paly very different styles of games. Well at least from what I've seen from Gaudreau.

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They paly very different styles of games. Well at least from what I've seen from Gaudreau.
That point was that the ability to score at a point per game level in the NCAA generally means a player would not be overwhelmed by the AHL.


Gaudreau is a much more skilled player than Gerbe was and he's bigger.

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That point was that the ability to score at a point per game level in the NCAA generally means a player would not be overwhelmed by the AHL.


Gaudreau is a much more skilled player than Gerbe was and he's bigger.
Playing style still matters in ability to produce on a higher level. There has been tons of guys light up junior or college and not be able to translate to the minor leagues.

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Take it for what it is worth, but Flames assistant general manager John Weisbrod recently said in an interview that he believes John Gaudreau could more than handle himself at the AHL level at this very moment. I have not consistently seen him play at BC so I cant personally vouch for that, but it's high praise nonetheless.

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