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01-04-2013, 10:09 PM
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NHL Lockout Discussion XLVI: There's nothing in the street-looks any different to me

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And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye

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NHL lockout talks waylaid by anger, mistrust


Bruce Arthur | Jan 4, 2013 7:38 PM ET | Last Updated: Jan 4, 2013 10:24 PM ET



NEW YORK — This thing should be over, and this reporter is not just saying this because sending out your laundry at a hotel is the rough equivalent of taking your money and throwing it in a river. This thing should have been over a month ago or more.

And yet here we are.

More at:
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...nger-mistrust/

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Im feeling good news today. Not the end, but an overall positive day. Yesterday looks a lot better in retrospect then it did as it was progressing.

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Another day that COULD see major progress but won't.

Jan 11 can't get here fast enough.

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Another day that COULD see major progress but won't.

Jan 11 can't get here fast enough.
There will be progress, just the same as yesterday.


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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the disgrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played.....all on your watch.go.Gary go

A canceled season should bring a new hockey leauge...

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Another day that COULD see major progress but won't.

Jan 11 can't get here fast enough.
Seems like yesterday had progress. Considering how little differences remain, any progress is major.

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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the digrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played......go.Gary go

Only problem with that is has any other league been more broken than the NHL? I also feel that the NHLPA has been very difficult to deal with throughout this entire time so not only do I put those games lost on Bettman but I put them on the PA as well.

And guess what? We will lose more games when the next CBA expires and Bettman will be long gone by that point.

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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the disgrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played.....all on your watch.go.Gary go

A canceled season should bring a new hockey leauge...
There are other leagues to watch, why not just watch them?

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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the disgrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played.....all on your watch.go.Gary go

A canceled season should bring a new hockey leauge...
People are still spouting this crap at this point? Really?

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Only problem with that is has any other league been more broken than the NHL? I also feel that the NHLPA has been very difficult to deal with throughout this entire time so not only do I put those games lost on Bettman but I put them on the PA as well.

And guess what? We will lose more games when the next CBA expires and Bettman will be long gone by that point.
David Stern is more than ten years older than Bettman and he just retired.

You can bet Gary has at least one more lockout in him.

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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the disgrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played.....all on your watch.go.Gary go

A canceled season should bring a new hockey leauge...
Do you really think things are as simple as that? If so, then it's pretty clear you know very little about this process. Just more "SPORTS LEAGUE COMMISSIONER BAD!" nonsense that's based on absolutely nothing.

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David Stern is more than ten years older than Bettman and he just retired.

You can bet Gary has at least one more lockout in him.
Oh yeah. Even if Gary does step down, you can bet Jacobs will force the league to hire someone who is even more of a hard-ass than Bettman. Heck, Jacobs may appoint himself emperor of the NHL.

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I like how all this falls on Gary Bettman when its the owners lockout, not his.

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Just read the quotes from Gorges and co from yesterday; this is the same issue that was addressed by Friedman or whoever who said that the changes in HRR had been highlighted and flagged and had been well known for over a week, correct?

If it is I don't even know how anybody can cheer for these idiots anymore.

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David Stern is more than ten years older than Bettman and he just retired.

You can bet Gary has at least one more lockout in him.
How do you blame the lockouts on one side? Both sides are responsible.

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2,324 games so far lost under Bettmen,more coming yet........lol

More than all other leauges combined..

you go Gary,cancel the season ,add to the disgrace total.....a canceled season means,2stanley cups never presented,and over 10% of leauge games never played.....all on your watch.go.Gary go

A canceled season should bring a new hockey leauge...
Just once I would like to see someone who posts that a new league will start up to replace the NHL (especially a player owned league) include even the start of a viable business model.

100's of millions would need to be invested before the first puck is dropped. Who will invest and why? Where will they play? Hockey is already a 4th or 5th sport in the USA so who will watch? Who will sponser it? How will they counter the backlash from a lot of very rich and powerful men with tentacles through most media corporations?

The days of the WHA are long gone. At that time there were a lot of untapped markets, players were just starting to come over from Europe, so there was untapped talent, and players were grossly under paid. None of that applies any more.

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Just read the quotes from Gorges and co from yesterday; this is the same issue that was addressed by Friedman or whoever who said that the changes in HRR had been highlighted and flagged and had been well known for over a week, correct?

If it is I don't even know how anybody can cheer for these idiots anymore.
I didnt read the quotes, but if you're referring to changes to HRR penalties, then yes, thats the issue.

The players have no one to blame except their lawyers and the negotiating committee. Unfortunately they're bogging down the process because they're mad at themselves.

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Just read the quotes from Gorges and co from yesterday; this is the same issue that was addressed by Friedman or whoever who said that the changes in HRR had been highlighted and flagged and had been well known for over a week, correct?

If it is I don't even know how anybody can cheer for these idiots anymore.
There were no changes in HRR. Just proposed changes to how violations of HRR accounting would be punished, changes that were highlighted and explained to the union a week before NHLPA got their panties in a twist over the (non-)issue.

The players just wanted to huff and puff and found an incredibly stupid issue to huff and puff about.

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I like how all this falls on Gary Bettman when its the owners lockout, not his.
He is the commish...but how should the owners have gone about things? They came to the players a freaking year before to work something out and the players declined. Anyone and their mother could see the players wanted a street fight and to sitck it to the league when they got Fehr. They have always been prepared to lose games as long as the NHL paid for what they did in the last lockout.

I'd much rather see a solid and stable league than players making more money.

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There were no changes in HRR. Just proposed changes to how violations of HRR accounting would be punished, changes that were highlighted and explained to the union a week before NHLPA got their panties in a twist over the (non-)issue.

The players just wanted to huff and puff and found an incredibly stupid issue to huff and puff about.
Yup, it was on twitter. A league official told Dreger, so it has to be true.

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How do you blame the lockouts on one side? Both sides are responsible.
Because only one side has been responsible for managing the league over the last twenty years.

Whichever side you want to blame right now for the hold up in this current negotiation, there can only be one side who is to blame for creating the horribly toxic, devoid of all trust, working relationship between management an labour, and it isn't the guy who just hired two years ago.

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So these are the main points left stopping the season
  1. Salary cap and floor –
  2. Variance –
  3. Pensions –
  4. Contract term limits
  5. Collective agreement length

Nice breakdown in this article.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle6966672/


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I like how all this falls on Gary Bettman when its the owners lockout, not his.
Oh yes,owners running leauge,Bettmen a puppet...

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“In the old days, basically the owners ran the league and almost ran it into the ground,” Snider said last
December . “Now it’s Bettman’s league. He’s a great commissioner. Basically he’s the force behind
everything we do.”

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Because only one side has been responsible for running the league over the last twenty years.
After all the information we've received during this lockout, this post is terribly simple.

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After all the information we've received during this lockout, this post is terribly simple.
Why would you believe any information that is released by either side?

You do remember Gary and Daly lying about the Phoenix Coyotes ownership state for years, right?

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