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01-05-2013, 07:12 AM
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Gaborik

I believe Sather will do everything he can to keep Gaborik and Nash on the same team for 2 yrs but I am also sure he will listen to offers.

So with that said what team will have the cap space to add Gabby for a yr and what kind of offers? Rangers would need to resign McDonaugh ,Stepan, Hagelin next yr as RFAs so they would want a good scorer , top pick, top prospect


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I believe Sather will do everything he can to keep Gaborik and Nash on the same team for 2 yrs but I am also sure he will listen to offers.

So with that said what team will have the cap space to add Gabby for a yr and what kind of offers? Rangers would need to resign McDonaugh ,Stepan, Hagelin next yr as RFAs so they would want a good scorer , top pick, top prospect
Gaborik for Gormley, 1st

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01-05-2013, 11:37 AM
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Gaborik for Gormley, 1st
Add a young roster forward like Korpikoski or Boedker

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Add a young roster forward like Korpikoski or Boedker
Are you serious? Gormley is a top prospect..... let alone getting a 1st? And you still want one of their top forwards? Gaborik is signed to only one more year.

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Gaborik for Gormley, 1st
After this year, and if the cap is 60m (or just a number where we could not keep him), definitely. Would be great value for the Rangers. Not a shot at Phoenix (I like them) but his NTC might be a problem.

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Are you serious? Gormley is a top prospect..... let alone getting a 1st? And you still want one of their top forwards? Gaborik is signed to only one more year.
It's hard to find offensive talent like Gaborik. Pheonix's defense is expendable and they need offense.

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Are you serious? Gormley is a top prospect..... let alone getting a 1st? And you still want one of their top forwards? Gaborik is signed to only one more year.
Gaborik is signed a year after this one.

I'm dead serious, Gaborik's value is much higher than a likely mid first and a prospect.

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Gaborik is signed a year after this one.

I'm dead serious, Gaborik's value is much higher than a likely mid first and a prospect.
He's a really good prospect though...If it were, say, Connor Murphy, then you might have a point.

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He's a really good prospect though...If it were, say, Connor Murphy, then you might have a point.
Gormley doesn't help the Rangers. They are subtracting 70 pts from their lineup and hoping one of Hrvik/Miller can contribute. Sather for sure will ask for a young forward.

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Gormley doesn't help the Rangers. They are subtracting 70 pts from their lineup and hoping one of Hrvik/Miller can contribute. Sather for sure will ask for a young forward.
So then I suppose Phoenix isn't exactly a good fit, then. But asking them to add significantly to one of the best defensive prospects in the league isn't really reasonable, I think.

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Gormley doesn't help the Rangers. They are subtracting 70 pts from their lineup and hoping one of Hrvik/Miller can contribute. Sather for sure will ask for a young forward.
The rangers could use a good defensive prospect.

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Gaborik for Gormley, 1st
I don't think you will find a single PHX fan that would agree to that. Gaborik is just not the type of forward PHX would be looking for due to age contract length and amount. Personally I think a top prospect and a 1st is more then Gaborik is worth. Then looking at the teams involved it really makes no sense for a young team to trade futures for a one year rental.

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So then I suppose Phoenix isn't exactly a good fit, then. But asking them to add significantly to one of the best defensive prospects in the league isn't really reasonable, I think.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for a 40g scorer.

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I think it's perfectly reasonable for a 40g scorer.
Not when he's on the wrong side of 30 with just over a year left on his contract.

Heck, Kreider wasn't on the table for Nash, and Gormley >> Kreider, and Nash > Gaborik due to age.

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I don't think you will find a single PHX fan that would agree to that. Gaborik is just not the type of forward PHX would be looking for due to age contract length and amount. Personally I think a top prospect and a 1st is more then Gaborik is worth. Then looking at the teams involved it really makes no sense for a young team to trade futures for a one year rental.
Who says he is a one year rental? And I definitely think he is the type of player Pheonix would want.

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I think it's perfectly reasonable for a 40g scorer.
The original offer of Gormley and a 1st was reasonable. That said, I still don't think PHX would do it. I think Gormley is a part of their long term plans. A guy like Rundblad would probably be their main trade chip. Maybe even an NHL d-man if they want to shed payroll(which they probably will if they bring in a guy like Gaborik).

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Not when he's on the wrong side of 30 with just over a year left on his contract.

Heck, Kreider wasn't on the table for Nash, and Gormley >> Kreider, and Nash > Gaborik due to age.
Absolutely false.

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For a signed Gaborik. As a Wild and a Rangers fan, I think this is fair value, just as long as Gaborik gets signed long-term. I wouldn't want to get burned by Gaborik leaving again.

And for everyone making proposals, remember that Glen Sather is our GM. You have to account for this by making your proposals overpayment towards the Rangers.

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The rangers could use a good defensive prospect.
Not really. They have a young d corp as it is and have McIrath and Skjei.

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Absolutely false.
How so?

Gormley is currently outscoring Kreider in the AHL in fewer games...as a defenseman.

Nash is younger and signed for longer than Gaborik.

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01-05-2013, 03:55 PM
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Gormley is a leftie, the Rangers need a RD if they're going to trade their top offensive threat. Oh and recent reports say the NHL's stance went from 60M cap for 2013 to a 63M cap so I don't think the Rangers will be trading him.

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We're playing out Gaborik's contract and going for a Stanley Cup. He will not be traded.

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Absolutely false.
From an unbiased observer, both those statements seem pretty true.

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Gormley is a leftie, the Rangers need a RD if they're going to trade their top offensive threat. Oh and recent reports say the NHL's stance went from 60M cap for 2013 to a 63M cap so I don't think the Rangers will be trading him.
Personally, I think he's gone one way or another. He'll either be traded or walk. Even if the cap becomes $63M, they will have so many raises to dish out from now to when Gabby's a UFA, IMO there is no way he'll be retained unless he takes a massive paycut. Here are the guys who will be due for new contracts during that period:

Del Zotto now; Stepan, Hagelin and McDonagh next offseason; Callahan, Boyle, Kreider, Girardi, Stralman and Lundqvist the year after that(same year Gaborik hits free agency). Not to mention the guys like Asham, Pyatt, Bickel, Sauer, Eminger, Haley and Biron, although I highly doubt the Rangers would have a problem with letting any of those guys walk if need be.

Regardless, most if not all of the original guys I mentioned will probably get pretty substantial raises. Considering the Rangers current cap number isn't far from that $63M number, I just think there is a 0% chance Gaborik will be retained past that 2014 offseason. Maybe they won't trade him to increase their chances at a run, but IMO he won't be re-signed.

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Good luck. Only a top team would get him in an attempt to get a cup, but all those teams are in as much cap trouble as the Rangers.

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