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Start your franchise with Yakupov or Couturier?

View Poll Results: With my 1st overall pick, I select
Sean Couturier 76 38.38%
Nail Yakupov 122 61.62%
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01-05-2013, 03:37 PM
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op, seriously, why do you need so much reassurance? are you that insecure about the oilers?

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Toews is my fav player but to call the offensive advantage that kovy has over him " negligible" is a bit unfair... But overall I do prefer Toews
Both are around a point per game.


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Both are around a point per game.

Be fair... Kovy played with Atlanta, Toews played with Kane, Sharp and Hossa and still kovy put up better numbers. A strong argument can be made for Toews being the better player but offensively speaking,not so much.

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op, seriously, why do you need so much reassurance? are you that insecure about the oilers?
Reassurance for what? Maybe he was trying for that but. Sean is actually winning the poll

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op, seriously, why do you need so much reassurance? are you that insecure about the oilers?
I am a fan of both, hence the poll, like I would ever be insecure about Eberle and Co.

They both play different styles so I made the poll.

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Well, he doesn't have 50 goal potential.
Then Couturier doesn't have 70 point potential.

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Be fair... Kovy played with Atlanta, Toews played with Kane, Sharp and Hossa and still kovy put up better numbers. A strong argument can be made for Toews being the better player but offensively speaking,not so much.
I'm talking about the last couple years.


Toews played with 1 of those guys + Stalberg/Brunette/Kopecky

Kovalchuk played with Parise + Henrique/Elias


And both have been around a point per game.

Prime Kovalchuk was better offensively... but at the moment, not so much.

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I'm talking about the last couple years.


Toews played with 1 of those guys + Stalberg/Brunette/Kopecky

Kovalchuk played with Parise + Henrique/Elias


And both have been around a point per game.

Prime Kovalchuk was better offensively... but at the moment, not so much.
Kovalchuk tore the league up in the 2nd half last year, it's not like he's in his twilight years bro.

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Then Couturier doesn't have 70 point potential.


Yakupov has yet to play an NHL game. He does not have numbers that are typical of #1 picks in other leagues.

That's insane. If Yakupov puts up 65+ points in his first NHL seasson, then we'll talk about 50 goal potential.

Couturier has shown very good hands and decent production from Philly's bottom 6. 60-70 points is not out of the question.

(60-70 point is NOT surpassing 70. It's in between. ie 65 points)

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Then Couturier doesn't have 70 point potential.
How the hell is saying couturier has 70 point potential and yak having 50 goal potential the same thing? Yaks projection is a much much bigger stretch. I see yakupov scoring 10-20 more points a year than couts depending on how defensively couts is used and how offensively yak is used.. I'll take 70 point selke contender over 80-90 point 40 goal scorer that doesn't play elite defense.

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Yakupov has yet to play an NHL game. He does not have numbers that are typical of #1 picks in other leagues.

That's insane. If Yakupov puts up 65+ points in his first NHL seasson, then we'll talk about 50 goal potential.

Couturier has shown very good hands and decent production from Philly's bottom 6. 60-70 points is not out of the question.

(60-70 point is NOT surpassing 70. It's in between. ie 65 points)
Yakupov put up almost identical numbers to Stamkos in Sarnia and even broke his rookie scoring record. He has all the potential in the world right now.

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Kovalchuk tore the league up in the 2nd half last year, it's not like he's in his twilight years bro.
All I know is that since coming to Jersey, he hasn't scored a point per game. That player (no matter what his name is) is not better offensively than Jonathan Toews.

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Yakupov


And Kovy is not in his prime? News to me. I think last season may have been the best of his career sans the 52 goal season.

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How the hell is saying couturier has 70 point potential and yak having 50 goal potential the same thing? Yaks projection is a much much bigger stretch. I see yakupov scoring 10-20 more points a year than couts depending on how defensively couts is used and how offensively yak is used.. I'll take 70 point selke contender over 80-90 point 40 goal scorer that doesn't play elite defense.
Because its their absolute ceilings and that's the point Yakupov has a much higher absolute ceiling.

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I am a fan of both, hence the poll, like I would ever be insecure about Eberle and Co.

They both play different styles so I made the poll.
Huh... If you say so. Just seems that since you found the Poll option, a few of them have been a little idiotic (the polls, not you), i.e. Oilers vs Red Wings and now this.

In any case, it's a no brainer but voted Couturier out of Oiler poll annoyance

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All I know is that since coming to Jersey, he hasn't scored a point per game. That player (no matter what his name is) is not better offensively than Jonathan Toews.
40 or so of those games were under Maclean which brought everyone down. Possibly the worst coach in NHL history. You may say it doesn't matter but I can't blame Kovy for underperforming under that clown.

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Yakupov, in the WJC and Subway series, has not impressed me.

Very one dimensional. Non existent defensively, and I haven't seen any of his so called above-average vision/playmaking. He plays like it's 1 vs 6 out on the ice.

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All I know is that since coming to Jersey, he hasn't scored a point per game. That player (no matter what his name is) is not better offensively than Jonathan Toews.
Couturier will never be remotely close to Toews anyway so what's your point?

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All I know is that since coming to Jersey, he hasn't scored a point per game. That player (no matter what his name is) is not better offensively than Jonathan Toews.
Yes he has. He just had 83 points in 77 games last year. What are you talking about?

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Couturier will never be remotely close to Toews anyway so what's your point?
I actually see a lot of Toews in couturier, which is why I love him... Couturiers absolute ceiling is Toews IMO. I don't expect it but it's possible

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Couturier.

I'm a Flyers fan, so I am biased. Trying to look at it objectively as possible, I take Couts.

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Yakupov, in the WJC and Subway series, has not impressed me.

Very one dimensional. Non existent defensively, and I haven't seen any of his so called above-average vision/playmaking. He plays like it's 1 vs 6 out on the ice.
Not like Couturier was any better in the WJC last year.

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Not like Couturier was any better in the WJC last year.
It is VERY well known Canada used couts for PK and to shut down the top line. He's was there best defensive forward, that's what happens

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It is VERY well known Canada used couts for PK and to shut down the top line. He's was there best defensive forward, that's what happens
I recall Leblanc, Czikas and Howden on the shutdown unit and top PK.

Nevertheless, he was an underager and this short tournament isn't a prime indicator of what's to come.

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