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NHL Lockout Discussion XLVII: Could the End be in Sight???

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01-05-2013, 05:41 PM
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They should move to 3 because....the PA moved to 3 to in the first place after 111 days? Let's send out the first PP unit with 2 minutes left when we are already up 8-0
I don't think I can respond to this any better than was already stated above:

"The PA are the ones that picked this fight, and when you pick a fight you forfeit your right to complain about how hard you're getting your ass kicked."


This whole debacle kicked off with the PA hiring Fehr, shooting down realignment and refusing to meet until August. Since then their primary strategy has been to restructure the same offer over, and stall until deadlines to try and break the owners.

Well, that didn't work out so well, but it was their own decision. Fehr was the wrong guy to hire if they wanted to play with mercy rules in place.

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so, what would be the reason why the owners side wouldn't want to play 50+ games?
$$$$$


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The fact they can't get this settled tonight is ridiculous.

I really am beginning to hate the PA the longer this drags on... And I was a pretty hardcore PA guy in the off season.

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The question is, when you have unlimited contract length and the other side wants 5, is 6 the middle?

When the other side wants a 60m cap in year two and you want 70m, is 60m the middle?
Its not about meeting in the middle. Its about creating a healthy league.

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$$$$$

How much money are we talking for another, say, 5 or however many games?

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Isn't the thrill of the emotional roller coaster part of the reason why we we're sports fans?
Yes. Unfortunately I am not able to watch my team lose in overtime like I would normally be doing at this time of the year. No, instead it's watching idiots to see how far they are going to take this lock-out.

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The PA are the ones that picked this fight, and when you pick a fight you forfeit your right to complain about how hard you're getting your ass kicked.

Everybody with half a brain knew they were going to lose, it's just a matter of how badly they're going to lose.
Last time i checked this was a lockout not a strike. Yeah it was ultimately about ho much they were going to lose, but they have every right to complain about how much they're giving up, because when you compare it to the previous CBA, its quite a lot. Even if you want to throw out the previous CBA and start from scratch, they've given quite a bit

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What movement has been made and who made it is subjective until you have a finished document. If both 1 and 10 are ridiculous premises that don't reflect the market at all, what are they worth?

IMO, "make whole" was ridiculous and it was conceded to.
The thing is, 10 wasnt a ridiculous premise, being as it was the previous CBA. So in terms of "steps" the NHL's first was "1" whereas the PA's was 7 or 8.


But whatever, I just want hockey.

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According to Duthie this thing is only 66% resolved.

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I don't think I can respond to this any better than was already stated above:

"The PA are the ones that picked this fight, and when you pick a fight you forfeit your right to complain about how hard you're getting your ass kicked."


This whole debacle kicked off with the PA hiring Fehr, shooting down realignment and refusing to meet until August. Since then their primary strategy has been to restructure the same offer over, and stall until deadlines to try and break the owners.

Well, that didn't work out so well, but it was their own decision. Fehr was the wrong guy to hire if they wanted to play with mercy rules in place.

This is a lockout right? Have I been thinking it is something different for four months. Holy ****, is this a players strike?

Funny part is, you agree we're on "step 3" and still think the league is the side to agree with in all of this. Amazing.

Either way here's a wake up call. The PA isn't going to give in any more, because they don't have to. The league has them beat, and the PA will wait it out another five days because the NHL will settle at "step 3."

Good for them for doing so.

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I'm a little confused with all the anti PA hate... I understand its frustrating, but lets see what the PA has given into on..

They gave into term limits for contracts the league wanted.
They gave into the 50/50 split.
They gave into the 10 year CBA the league wanted.

What exactly has the league given on? before today they wouldn't even move off the 60M cap.

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How much money are we talking for another, say, 5 or however many games?
Millions.

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It seems like the players keep on getting what they want, and then they keep asking for more..

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$$$$$

Under a new CBA, the owners DON'T want to play 2 addition games per team because of $$$? Can you explain what you mean?

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Man, I'm so curious about how the league is going to respond to this **** show we call the lockout to the fans when it's over. I know as a die hard fan myself, I'm offended and disgusted beyond words with the league and it's players.

I can't imagine how casual fans feel about a lockout. If they knew some of the details we know, they probably wouldn't come back period.

But seriously, as fans, we absolutely deserve more than just "FREE CENTER ICE FOR EVERYONE!" I want some accountability from both sides. I'd love to see both of them in candid interviews where they get asked really difficult questions and make them look bad. These people deserve some serious egg on their faces.

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According to Duthie this thing is only 66% resolved.
Pretty sure he's joking ... 99 percent

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According to Duthie this thing is only 66% resolved.
Better than 50%

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What exactly has the league given on? before today they wouldn't even move off the 60M cap.
We should flip coins to decide who concedes what. These negotiations are getting a CBA which will make all teams healthy, not about who concedes the most.

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The fact they can't get this settled tonight is ridiculous.

I really am beginning to hate the PA the longer this drags on... And I was a pretty hardcore PA guy in the off season.
same here

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Why are we still here if it's confirmed there will be no deal tonight?

It's going to be another "we made progress" and another roller coaster.

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it might only be 66% done, but thats more than half.. thats about 3 issues remaining then or so.

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According to Duthie this thing is only 66% resolved.
Who is this Duthie you speak of?

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Millions.
This will probably sound dumb, but shouldn't the owners also generate more profit from more games? Money confuse me

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Its not about meeting in the middle. Its about creating a healthy league.
Meeting in the middle is the cornerstone of negotiation.

Want to sell your $500k home? Put it on the market for $2 billion, then wait for the $1 billion+ offers to roll in. Oh it's not selling? Y u no meet in middle market!?!?

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The thing is, 10 wasnt a ridiculous premise, being as it was the previous CBA. So in terms of "steps" the NHL's first was "1" whereas the PA's was 7 or 8.


But whatever, I just want hockey.
The previous CBA no longer existed. Trying to grade positions is insanity especially when both initial premises were ridiculous and not where the sports labor market is at this time.

The whole "the league doesn't cave or move" argument was rendered dead by "make whole". It's stupid, it doesn't fit a linked market (where you understand that you do not get 100% of your contract, you could get more, you could get less), and worse of all, to me, it was just an attempt to sabotage and endgame by making it impossible to get to a low 50% deal in favor of the players (where the market is.)

I mean with make whole, year one is a 57% year for all intents and purposes. How do you get around that? Well, for whatever reason the league relented on that.

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