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01-05-2013, 05:52 PM
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1. Owners aren't losing money. Owners know how to make a $5M loss turn into a gain.
2. You don't see it making sense because you don't want it to.

It's not all about the money. It's about not being dictated to.
Owners arent losing money? Meaning ALL owners have a cumulative net profit on their position with respect to the NHL. You actually believe this? [Mod]


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Why are you using 2011 numbers? You have the first place team in the league for 2011, which everyone but us the fans hate, and you have the Bruins an original 6. Of course it's the most watched finals.
Huh? I was replying to the post which said US ratings sucked.

If the spread of players means every team plays some form of defensive hockey which hurt the ratings, how come the ratings were so high last season?

How come those ratings were higher than ratings of two O6 teams the finals in 1979?

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01-05-2013, 05:57 PM
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NJ should have brought a large audience IMO. NHL knows the writing is on the wall and NBC will keep playing the big markets during the regular season. No west coast Winter classics
NJ's attendance is bad considering their market size and success over the last 10 years. I'm not all that impressed with their fan base in general.

NBC, outside of the Original Six, Philly and Pittsburgh, plays the teams who are actually winning. (Makes sense right?) LA came up pretty quickly over the last three years. Went from tank team to bottom end playoff team to Cup champs. Unfortunately they got little exposure over that time.

I could see an LA/SJ Classic doing decent numbers, but unfortunately that probably wont be seen for a long time. Next Western Classic will likely involve some combination of Chicago/STL/Minnesota.

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Because it makes his arguement look pretty. Last year was average although as wings fan said teams didn't help anything.
Too funny.

You claimed that US ratings have sucked yet last year we had record ratings.

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I doubt they're spot on with their numbers, but I would assume the Hawks make good money now.
Of all the franchises to single out, if you were permitted full & unfettered access to their books, Chicago would be the place youd wanna be, go to first. You just might find out the actual "announced capacity" & paid butts in the seats is several 1000 short of what was actually built-in in the lower bowl alone; Jimmy Hoffas' skeletal remains jammed into a musty old file cabinet deep in the bowels of the United Centre, Rocky charging $100,000 US for a peek.

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Huh? I was replying to the post which said US ratings sucked.

If the spread of players means every team plays some form of defensive hockey which hurt the ratings, how come the ratings were so high last season?

How come those ratings were higher than ratings of two O6 teams the finals in 1979?
can't tell you much about that, but i can say that those Hawaiian sweet rolls i had with my dinner were out of this freaking world.

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01-05-2013, 06:02 PM
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I didn't the talent had been water down. It's been spread out. Now everyone has the same amount of crappy players. Don't bring up the goalies. Anyone here can tell you I'm against the michelin man pads, but this is a trap argument, because you would probably be against making the nets bigger which is the only way that would be solved. As for defensive hockey, because of the spread of players everyone plays some form of it now. Tell me the ratings this year for the playoffs. In the US they sucked.
The Bruins/Canucks 2011 Cup final averaged a 5.0 rating which crushed any finals from 1995-2004. Last years finals average of 4.0 was a huge disapointment and still had better ratings than any final from 1995-2004 except the Detriot/Philly final in 1997 which tied it.

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The Bruins/Canucks 2011 Cup final averaged a 5.0 rating which crushed any finals from 1995-2004. Last years finals average of 4.0 was a huge disapointment and still had better ratings than any final from 1995-2004 except the Detriot/Philly final in 1997 which tied it.
That's my point. The Ratings have always sucked. Everyone else has higher ratings. No cap will change that. You're using the demos, which not everyone will get ( I will) I bet the demos were higher for the other 3 too.

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01-05-2013, 06:04 PM
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Of all the franchises to single out, if you were permitted full & unfettered access to their books, Chicago would be the place youd wanna be, go to first. You just might find out the actual "announced capacity" & paid butts in the seats is several 1000 short of what was actually built-in in the lower bowl alone; Jimmy Hoffas' skeletal remains jammed into a musty old file cabinet deep in the bowels of the United Centre, Rocky charging $100,000 US for a peek.
I can believe that they put that many in their building, I just question how in the world Fire Marshals let them get away with it.

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01-05-2013, 06:06 PM
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Things I hear are settled:

- 50/50 split
- 2013-2014 cap 65M
- Pension
- CBA length

Things left to settle:

- Compliance buyouts
- Contractual rights ("allocational issues")


Is it me or is this thing as good as done?

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... how in the world Fire Marshals let them get away with it.
Just hire Jim Carrey. Fire Marshall Bob. Good ta go.

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Just hire Jim Carrey. Fire Marshall Bob.
Reminds me of that California fire marshal who was really a closet serial-arsonist.

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Wirtz claiming Hawks losing money (from April 2012):

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...emplate=mobile

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In part two of our interview, Mr. Wirtz explains how, despite capacity crowds at the United Center and surging TV ratings, the team still is losing money

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That's my point. The Ratings have always sucked. Everyone else has higher ratings. No cap will change that. You're using the demos, which not everyone will get ( I will) I bet the demos were higher for the other 3 too.
But since 2005 and the introduction of the cap the numbers have been better. Now maybe it's due to Crosby, Ovechkin, and the NHL’s marketing plan of force feeding these two players to the masses; but neither of those franchises would have been able to build around/keep those players without a cap.

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Is it me or is this thing as good as done?
Some former NHLers are claiming they've been told it's done. Not sure if that's a good indicator, though.

Bob McKenzie did have this to say:

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Someone who I feel has "sense" of where things are just told me: "There's a bit of frenzy going on now that may not be entirely justified."

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01-05-2013, 06:13 PM
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Things I hear are settled:

- 50/50 split
- 2013-2014 cap 65M
- Pension
- CBA length

Things left to settle:

- Compliance buyouts
- Contractual rights ("allocational issues")


Is it me or is this thing as good as done?
Well, if your statement is true, the remaining issues aren't big enough to cancel the season. This will be solved.


...did I jinx it?

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01-05-2013, 06:14 PM
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But since 2005 and the introduction of the cap the numbers have been better. Now maybe it's due to Crosby, Ovechkin, and the NHLís marketing plan of force feeding these two players to the masses; but neither of those franchises would have been able to build around/keep those players without a cap.
That's fine. But I don't see how the cap has made the game more appealing to the masses. Looking the numbers you and others have provided hockey is still behind.

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01-05-2013, 06:16 PM
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Same theme as last post. This time, Pierre LeBrun:

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Told that NHL finally moved off $60 M year 2 cap, however, still not enough for players..

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So I've been out most of the day but my girlfriends father said he heard on sports net a deal is imminent. Is this true?

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Things I hear are settled:

- 50/50 split
- 2013-2014 cap 65M
- Pension
- CBA length

Things left to settle:

- Compliance buyouts
- Contractual rights ("allocational issues")


Is it me or is this thing as good as done?
I could see the NHL trading a 65m cap for something so long as there is not a cap on escrow. It would be a move of good faith showing they'll hope that 65m works with 50/50 and still be protected fully with escrow.

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1. Owners aren't losing money. Owners know how to make a $5M loss turn into a gain.
2. You don't see it making sense because you don't want it to.

It's not all about the money. It's about not being dictated to.
Yeah, the owners know how to make a 5 million loss turn into a gain. Pay your employees less.

Who is not seeing things as they are?

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So I've been out most of the day but my girlfriends father said he heard on sports net a deal is imminent. Is this true?
Imminent is a really strong word. Let's go with "they're talking right now" and leave it at that.

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So I've been out most of the day but my girlfriends father said he heard on sports net a deal is imminent. Is this true?
It appears "something" is imminent. At this point, it's not clear whether that something is losing the season or reaching a deal.

 
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That's fine. But I don't see how the cap has made the game more appealing to the masses. Looking the numbers you and others have provided hockey is still behind.
It's simple really. Putting teams in nontraditional markets will grow the league. A salary cap guarantees that with proper management those franchises can at least be successful hockey teams regardless of market size. Having a successful league spread throughout North America means that the NHL can reach as many fans as possible and in return makes the sport more appealing to the masses.

Hypothetically someone who is not a hockey fan and lives in a nontraditional market would be more likely to become a fan if the NHL team in their market was successful. Problem is most of the teams in these markets have little to no chance of long term success without a salary cap.


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It appears "something" is imminent. At this point, it's not clear whether that something is losing the season or reaching a deal.
... or whether or not its even that black & white.

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