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Start your franchise with Yakupov or Couturier?

View Poll Results: With my 1st overall pick, I select
Sean Couturier 76 38.38%
Nail Yakupov 122 61.62%
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01-05-2013, 03:36 PM
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Not like Couturier was any better in the WJC last year.
He wasn't in it last year.

Derp.

He was in it 2 years ago, in his draft year. Played on the shutdown line. Only draft eligible player on team Canada that year too.

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Not like Couturier was any better in the WJC last year.
To be fair, he could have still been battling mono at that point.

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01-05-2013, 03:40 PM
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Yakupov easy for me.

I don't get all the love for Couturier, I haven't seen any sign of him being able to reach 70 points. I think he's gonna be a good 50-60 point Selke candidate 2nd line center. That's obviously not bad but Yakupov is gonna be a 40-50 goal scoring winger.

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This is close than I thought it would be, having said that...Yakupov.

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Yakupov easy for me.

I don't get all the love for Couturier, I haven't seen any sign of him being able to reach 70 points. I think he's gonna be a good 50-60 point Selke candidate 2nd line center. That's obviously not bad but Yakupov is gonna be a 40-50 goal scoring winger.
On what basis are you suggesting a 20-30 goal / 40-50 point difference per year?

From the trade board, seems relevant here:


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and yakupovs junior numbers, while a bit more offensively inclined and telling, are really not that much better than couts. if you compare their most recent 2 junior seasons...

Yakupov
10-11: 69: 49 - 52 - 101. 1.46 PPG
11-12: 42: 32 - 38 - 69. 1.64 PPG

Couturier
9-10: 68: 41 - 55 - 96. 1.41 PPG
10-11: 58: 36 - 60 - 96. 1.66 PPG
Obviously junior production isn't predictive, but I'm not sure I understand the presumptions involved in some of the responses here...


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On what basis are you suggesting a 20-30 goal difference per year?

From the trade board, seems relevant here:
It's more about what I see when I watch them than their junior league stats.

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On what basis are you suggesting a 20-30 goal difference per year?

From the trade board, seems relevant here:
You're comparing stats from different leagues.

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You're comparing stats from different leagues.
Sure, but that still doesn't answer my question...

It is far from a perfect methodology, but comparing production st the same age against players the same age seems at least partly relevant, right? Not totally predictive, but not irrelevant either.

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most real fans of the game know this poll should be somewhat close
Lakia said the poll is close and not definitely the Oiler he put in.

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Yakupov easily. You know it as well as I do.
Easily? I doubt it. Yakupov is very offensively gifted but seems to not be able to do much else other than the rush. He isn't very big so he isn't going to run over guys like Ovechkin or get back and play D. Couts on the other hand has offensive talent and is defensively gifted. I'd say he could play a game similar to Toews in the future once he gets to move up the Philly depth chart.

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Sure, but that still doesn't answer my question...

It is far from a perfect methodology, but comparing production st the same age against players the same age seems at least partly relevant, right? Not totally predictive, but not irrelevant either.
Couturier really wasn't projected to be a major point producer in the NHL. Just read the draft reports about him, of course that can change.

Yakupov was projected to be a Pavel Bure type player. Scouts see his tools translating better in the fast paced NHL I guess.

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All I know is that since coming to Jersey, he hasn't scored a point per game. That player (no matter what his name is) is not better offensively than Jonathan Toews.
Problem with maths ?

Kovalchuk in 2011-2012: 83 pts in 77 games.
Career: 6 +1PPG seasons.

Toews: ZERO +1PPG season

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Yakupov easy for me.

I don't get all the love for Couturier, I haven't seen any sign of him being able to reach 70 points. I think he's gonna be a good 50-60 point Selke candidate 2nd line center. That's obviously not bad but Yakupov is gonna be a 40-50 goal scoring winger.
I can't believe some people project yakupov to have as many goals as couturier has points.

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I want to see Yak play with Nuge, Eberle etc. He could very well put up huge numbers. I think he'll be better then Couts. Maybe not on the defensive side though.

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Yak easily, still way more dangerous then Couts.

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Definetly Yakupov.

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We want to talk potential?
We can't compare guys in different leagues point wise. We can however look at players in the same league

We'll take Stamkos and Yakupov. They both played in the same league, same team.
They both had a PPG of about 1.6, with Yakupov being a fraction higher

Couturier will be matched up with the first guy I found, Daniel Briere, who also played on the same team
Couturier had a 1.2PPG. Briere? 2.1
I'll even be generous and leave out his terrible first year, which still only puts him at 1.5

He's nowhere near Briere who with his career average (he had some amazing years) is a 60/70 poiny guy
Yakupov is right at the same place as 60 goal scorer Steven Stamkos

THAT is why Yakupov easily has 50 goal potential, and I highly doubt that Couturier will be a Toews light

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I want to see Yak play with Nuge, Eberle etc. He could very well put up huge numbers. I think he'll be better then Couts. Maybe not on the defensive side though.
I can say, with 100% certainty, that Yakupov will never be the defensive player that Couturier is/will be.

People seem to underrate Couturier's offensive game/upside because he put up 27 points last year.

He's pretty average in terms of skating, but it's better than when he was in junior. His best asset is his hockey IQ. He's just an insanely smart hockey player. Knows where his teammates are and where to be.

He's more of a playmaker than goal scorer. Good hands, especially for a player his size, but won't dazzle with moves.

Pretty good wrister too. Check out some of his goals from last year.

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Yakupov without a doubt.

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We want to talk potential?
We can't compare guys in different leagues point wise. We can however look at players in the same league

We'll take Stamkos and Yakupov. They both played in the same league, same team.
They both had a PPG of about 1.6, with Yakupov being a fraction higher

Couturier will be matched up with the first guy I found, Daniel Briere, who also played on the same team
Couturier had a 1.2PPG. Briere? 2.1
I'll even be generous and leave out his terrible first year, which still only puts him at 1.5

He's nowhere near Briere who with his career average (he had some amazing years) is a 60/70 poiny guy
Yakupov is right at the same place as 60 goal scorer Steven Stamkos

THAT is why Yakupov easily has 50 goal potential, and I highly doubt that Couturier will be a Toews light
Turrible logic.

Briere played in the Q during the early-mid 90's, where it was a very, very high scoring league.

Couturier played when the scoring is pretty similar to the other CHL leagues, or definitely more 'even' than what it was when Briere played.

Hell, if you want to delve deeper, Yakupov was IMO better in his underage year compared to his draft year. He got to play with some decent prospects on that Sarnia roster (Galchenyuk in 2010-2011 [was hurt last year], Brett Ritchie, Reid Boucher, Ryan Spooner, Connor Murphy, etc.)

Check out Drummondville's roster when Couturier was putting up 90+ points. I know I haven't heard of one other player on those rosters.

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Yakupov.

While a big centre like Couturier is desirable, Yakupov just has that much more offensive talent.

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We want to talk potential?
We can't compare guys in different leagues point wise. We can however look at players in the same league

We'll take Stamkos and Yakupov. They both played in the same league, same team.
They both had a PPG of about 1.6, with Yakupov being a fraction higher

Couturier will be matched up with the first guy I found, Daniel Briere, who also played on the same team
Couturier had a 1.2PPG. Briere? 2.1
I'll even be generous and leave out his terrible first year, which still only puts him at 1.5

He's nowhere near Briere who with his career average (he had some amazing years) is a 60/70 poiny guy
Yakupov is right at the same place as 60 goal scorer Steven Stamkos

THAT is why Yakupov easily has 50 goal potential, and I highly doubt that Couturier will be a Toews light
Did you seriously just try'n pull out Danny Briere's stats from the early 90's? That analogy is terribad.

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