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Lockout VII: I've walked for miles, my feet are hurting

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01-06-2013, 12:01 AM
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Why are people getting hyped? This will be another let down for the rest of us.

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01-06-2013, 12:05 AM
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So the owners squeeze the players yet again and then the players get a cap the same as this past year. They don't lose a year of free agency or have 5 year ELC's but are limited to 7 year contracts which likely only 5% of the NHL contracts exceed anyways. So after all this pathos, the cattle get what they want. The owners also carry all the risk that their lockout killed the game as the players get a guaranteed cap in the year following the lockout.
What did we learn:
Gary Betman is like a plague of locusts, Jacobs is a snake on a ladder and Daley should stick to watching Miami Dolphins football and leave hockey all together (BTW:why is this guy on the Hockey Hall of Fame committee, seriously?) Finally, we learned that the cattle drive the bus.
Players still lost 600M in wages. I wouldn't call that winning since imo they could have got the current deal back in november (and a full schedule).

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01-06-2013, 12:10 AM
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Unless I missed something, I don't think I've seen anyone say the owners are entitled to earn a profit. Many have said that they should have the ability to break even if they want. Currently that's not the case.
What the? Why is any business entitled to break even? Several businesses close down because they aren't able make it work. If an NHL owner isn't breaking even, by all means sell the team and go do something else. The rest of the business world works this way.

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Players still lost 600M in wages. I wouldn't call that winning since imo they could have got the current deal back in november (and a full schedule).
November? Based on what?

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01-06-2013, 12:12 AM
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Players still lost 600M in wages. I wouldn't call that winning since imo they could have got the current deal back in november (and a full schedule).
How would they have gotten this speculated deal in november exactly?

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01-06-2013, 12:15 AM
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What the? Why is any business entitled to break even? Several businesses close down because they aren't able make it work. If an NHL owner isn't breaking even, by all means sell the team and go do something else. The rest of the business world works this way.
The rest of the business world also sure as hell negotiates to lower wages before they just throw in the towel and fold the company.

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01-06-2013, 12:26 AM
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The rest of the business world also sure as hell negotiates to lower wages before they just throw in the towel and fold the company.
The rest of the business world doesn't have to negotiate to lower wages. They just do it.

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01-06-2013, 12:34 AM
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How would they have gotten this speculated deal in november exactly?
I think the owners were willing to bend this much back in november but the NHLPA was unwilling before late december to drop its demands. The final deal looks to be pretty close to the owners offer in November.

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01-06-2013, 12:59 AM
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What the? Why is any business entitled to break even? Several businesses close down because they aren't able make it work. If an NHL owner isn't breaking even, by all means sell the team and go do something else. The rest of the business world works this way.
Most businesses get a chance or two to fix their problems before giving it up.

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01-06-2013, 01:33 AM
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Why are people getting hyped? This will be another let down for the rest of us.
agreed

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Players still lost 600M in wages. I wouldn't call that winning since imo they could have got the current deal back in november (and a full schedule).

The league wasn't offering this deal back then nor were they likely to agree to it at that time.

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Why are people getting hyped? This will be another let down for the rest of us.
While that is possible, you have no proof that your assertion is true so let people enjoy the excitement of a possible end to the lockout.

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The rest of the business world also sure as hell negotiates to lower wages before they just throw in the towel and fold the company.

Hostess didn't.

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Why are people getting hyped? This will be another let down for the rest of us.


Considering that the remaining issues before making a CBA seem to be about 7 or 8, (while others have said that a tentative deal is basically in the works, though I don't trust that one bit since it's rather fast and we DO have Bettman and Fehr butting heads rather than compromising).

Though I've been wondering...what happens if this whole thing blows and NHLPA files for DOI, do they even stand a chance in court?

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01-06-2013, 01:42 AM
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Hostess didn't.
Hostess negotiated all the way down.

 
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Does anyone think the Fehr can make the NHL bend just one last time?

If I was Fehr, I'd push one last time knowing the the league wouldn't risk a season over something relatively small, though significant.

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01-06-2013, 04:49 AM
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01-06-2013, 04:51 AM
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Does anyone think the Fehr can make the NHL bend just one last time?

If I was Fehr, I'd push one last time knowing the the league wouldn't risk a season over something relatively small, though significant.
What do you think they're doing right now?

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01-06-2013, 05:00 AM
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What do you think they're doing right now?
Playing poker while laughing at the journalists freezing their a$$ outside.

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Not going to get excited until it's done but it's looking pretty pretty pretty good.

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Done deal according to Denver Post.

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Done deal according to Denver Post.


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01-06-2013, 05:13 AM
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so that's it, tenative deal is done. Sunday jan 6.
yeeeeeeeesssssssssss!!!!!!!!

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