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01-06-2013, 03:24 AM
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USHL All-Star Game

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All-USHL Second Team

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USHL Clark Cup Champion

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USHL "Rookie of the Year" 2010–2011

2010–11


NCAA Boston College Eagles "Beanpot MVP" 2012

2011–12

NCAA Boston College Eagles Hockey East all-tournament team

2011–12



Bill Flynn Trophy – Hockey East Most Valuable Player

2011–12



2011-2012 - Boston College

44 games played - 21 goals, 23 assists - 44 points



Named to World Juniors 2012-2013 All-Star Team
Alright it's collage & WJ acheviements. Both mean little when you compare to pro hockey, where Taravienen is already.

Gaudreau won't step into the AHL or wherever and dominate like he has at the NCAA level. And Taravienen is already doing fine at the pro level in a limited role.

I stick by Taravienen.

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01-06-2013, 03:27 AM
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Teravainen is just so slick and subtly good. The players who do so much while doing so little are the ones to look out for, and thats Teravainen.

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01-06-2013, 03:43 AM
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I was pretty impressed with Gaudreau, really skilled forward!

But Teuvo was best player of team Finland and he was that in every game. He had hell of a tournament.

He looked like a man middle of boys when he had puck and i'm not even talking about his amazing hands or dangles. I'm talking about his vision and how he keeps his head up all the time and makes a really quick and easy looking pass. You could see that especially in Finlands power play it wasn't Erik Karlsson on the blueline it was Teräväinen and he played just like Karlsson there it was amazing. ( I wonder where he learned that )

I'm not even comparing these two but I have to say both are special players. I just can't understand how someone can say ''easily Gaudreau''. I have never seen that young player who can play his head up all the time and stickhandle like that and make quick and easy plays, it's just impressive.

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01-06-2013, 03:55 AM
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No, hes really not.

Size is not issue in the NCAA, lol what?

Teuvo wouldnt be putting up the points Gaudreau has in the NCAA.
Look at the NCAA route, plenty of small players go through it then take sometime getting adjusted to the pro game once they reach the AHL, as I illustrated with the Schroeder example, even Gerbe spent alot of time in the AHL, he's another one.

And honestly I think Teuvo would, and I also doubt that Gaudreau would be able to put up the numbers in the Finnish mens league that Teuvo does.

Gaudreau is just a shiny new toy, no one was talking like this until he broke out against Germany.

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01-06-2013, 05:25 AM
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Teräväinen was the best player of team Finland so he would have scored a lot more points in some other team. He is very underrated and imo the best drafted Finnish prospect.

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01-06-2013, 05:29 AM
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You flames fans should be comparing Ma. Granlund and Gaudreau...

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01-06-2013, 08:02 AM
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USHL All-Star Game

2010–11



All-USHL Second Team

2010–11


USHL Clark Cup Champion

2010–11


USHL "Rookie of the Year" 2010–2011

2010–11


NCAA Boston College Eagles "Beanpot MVP" 2012

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NCAA Boston College Eagles Hockey East all-tournament team

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Bill Flynn Trophy – Hockey East Most Valuable Player

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2011-2012 - Boston College

44 games played - 21 goals, 23 assists - 44 points



Named to World Juniors 2012-2013 All-Star Team

Very nice accomplishments....but this is a Flames prospect after all...we have been down this path before with the hype....remember Marty Murray, Dustin Boyd, Rica Fata, Daniel Tkaczuk? ...etc...all WJ stars...not that they are the same but most Flames prospects have not turned out to be anything in the last 10 yrs....

Gaudreau is a wonderful talent but he is a risky prospect.

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01-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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Gaudreau is playing in Collage where size is no issue, Taravienen is playing the Finnish men's league.

He's got a point with the shiny toy thing, Taravienen is the better one atm.
Really!? cause when put on even playing field (lets forget about ncaa vs fel) who performed better and was the better player? easily john gaudreau.

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01-06-2013, 08:20 AM
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You flames fans should be comparing Ma. Granlund and Gaudreau...
Sure for JG Flames fans are being told he's only out-playing/producing other prospects in a short tournament despite dominating his league at a very young age and body that still needs to mature. When he steps into the AHL and becomes the go to guy on the Heat once again we'll hear he can't beat NHL defense men and get a list of small guys.

Markus really is only producing in the WJC it gives some hope he'll find a top 6 spot in the NHL but he's not the same level prospect as Gaudreau at this point. That said I hope with some confidence he's able to find his game.

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01-06-2013, 01:16 PM
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Very nice accomplishments....but this is a Flames prospect after all...we have been down this path before with the hype....remember Marty Murray, Dustin Boyd, Rica Fata, Daniel Tkaczuk? ...etc...all WJ stars...not that they are the same but most Flames prospects have not turned out to be anything in the last 10 yrs....

Gaudreau is a wonderful talent but he is a risky prospect.
I don't get this. Just because he's drafted by the Flames and our past drafting record he's not going to succeed?

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01-06-2013, 01:21 PM
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I don't get this. Just because he's drafted by the Flames and our past drafting record he's not going to succeed?
Troll...successful.

I'd rather have JG with a 4th round pick than TT with a first round pick.

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01-06-2013, 01:47 PM
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Teuvo without a doubt.

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Really!? cause when put on even playing field (lets forget about ncaa vs fel) who performed better and was the better player? easily john gaudreau.
I didn't follow usa's games and clearly you didn't follow Finland's. Reason why I'm not going to pick better performancer in the tournament since stats hardly tell the whole truth. Also it's always easier to shine in a good team, and by that I mean team play+coaching rather than singular skills of a player.

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01-06-2013, 02:18 PM
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St. Louis was no bigger than Gaudreau at 19 years old. Gaudreau has plenty of time to put on muscle.

That's not to say I would take him over Tuevo.
2 things here, if people want to bring up St. Louis then they need to bring up the dozens of guys just like him in terms of size, stature ect...

Also I don't care what size St. Louis was then, it's really ahrd to project 175 lbs on johnny's frame and that's his biggest problem, adding that muscle mass and not losing any speed.

As it is for a really small guy Johnny isn't the fastest guy in the world either.

As for the poll it's Teravainen and it's not really even very close right now.

One guy is a top 15 prospect for a reason , while the other guy might just crack the top 100 two years after he was drafted (we will see where he stands with the 13 picks)

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01-06-2013, 02:23 PM
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I didn't follow usa's games and clearly you didn't follow Finland's. Reason why I'm not going to pick better performancer in the tournament since stats hardly tell the whole truth. Also it's always easier to shine in a good team, and by that I mean team play+coaching rather than singular skills of a player.
i followed both. being flame fan i was interested in watching both gaudreau and granlund. so clearly you know less about it than i do seeing as you admitted you didnt watch usa.

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i followed both. being flame fan i was interested in watching both gaudreau and granlund. so clearly you know less about it than i do seeing as you admitted you didnt watch usa.
To be said, yes you are right. Only thing I know about USA is that they had one of the best coaching staffs. But I'm only stating the previous message since I was the most impressed by TT's game and he clearly was the best player of Finland. Also I'm a homer like most of us here.

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Gaudreau is a shrimp
Just like Brian Gionta. That Gionta will never play in the NHL.

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01-06-2013, 07:20 PM
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I like Gaudreau more, and I don't think a strong argument can be made for either of them having a higher ceiling. There is an argument for TT having a better chance at the NHL simply because he's a little bigger, though.

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01-06-2013, 08:25 PM
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Look at the NCAA route, plenty of small players go through it then take sometime getting adjusted to the pro game once they reach the AHL, as I illustrated with the Schroeder example, even Gerbe spent alot of time in the AHL, he's another one.

And honestly I think Teuvo would, and I also doubt that Gaudreau would be able to put up the numbers in the Finnish mens league that Teuvo does.

Gaudreau is just a shiny new toy, no one was talking like this until he broke out against Germany.
Schroeder didn't put up close to as many points as Gaudreau has. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Gaudreau ripped up the USHL and NCAA with hardly any adjustment period at all. Same as the WJC's. With his track record I would bet money on his ability to adjust to the AHL.

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Schroeder didn't put up close to as many points as Gaudreau has. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Gaudreau ripped up the USHL and NCAA with hardly any adjustment period at all. Same as the WJC's. With his track record I would bet money on his ability to adjust to the AHL.
I wouldn't pay much mind to him if he thinks people were only noticing him because of the WJC he most likely has no idea he kept pace with Kreider last year in his rookie year at BC.

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Might want to take a look at Gaudreau's season last year.

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LOL

Derpity derp.

Look at the average size of NCAA hockey players. It's not uncommon to have a 5'2 player skating around like he's part of the team too.

Put him with grown men.


Can't wait for your St. Louis argument.


Irrelevant hockey fan with limited to no knowledge.

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LOL

Derpity derp.

Look at the average size of NCAA hockey players. It's not uncommon to have a 5'2 player skating around like he's part of the team too.

Put him with grown men.


Can't wait for your St. Louis argument.


Irrelevant hockey fan with limited to no knowledge.
The average height in NCAA is a couple of inches below the average height in the NHL. It's not a bunch of midgets on skates.

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01-06-2013, 09:12 PM
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I like Gaudreau more, and I don't think a strong argument can be made for either of them having a higher ceiling. There is an argument for TT having a better chance at the NHL simply because he's a little bigger, though.
He's also got plenty of room to fill out, not even close being physically fully developed for NHL. He can also improve his skating speed (technically he's fine as a skater), shot power and above all, defensive game.

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You guys are insane!

Teuvo was drafted like 100 spots higher for a reason, he had better tools and vision and most importantly is a much more fluid skater.

TT plays against men, who are physical, stronger and much better one on one than a bunch of unknown college kids

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You guys are insane!

Teuvo was drafted like 100 spots higher for a reason, he had better tools and vision and most importantly is a much more fluid skater.

TT plays against men, who are physical, stronger and much better one on one than a bunch of unknown college kids
You think if Gaudreau was a 2012 draft eligible (and he was close to being one), he wouldn't have gone in the first round after his freshman year at BC?

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