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01-06-2013, 05:58 AM
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You're neglecting RB's post. MDZ will get more than that. And don't we need to re-sign McDonagh? Or is that after next year?
I know about RBs thought of locking up MDZ for a longer contract at around $3,8 M - something like Karlsson. At least IMO. And it very well may come to fruition. But that is Staal money and I do not believe Sather is going to pay that money to MDZ. Not now. And MDZ < Karlsson so far in the NHL.
Sather always hardballs his RFAs without arbitration rights.
We will see very shortly where this winds up...
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You're neglecting RB's post. MDZ will get more than that. And don't we need to re-sign McDonagh? Or is that after next year?
McD is an RFA w arb rights after this season.

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01-06-2013, 06:04 AM
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Think this is the first time I've ever seen hockey news on the main article on CNN lol.

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getting recognition as well!!!!!

This is/was on the http://www.nbcnews.com site

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01-06-2013, 06:15 AM
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2013/2014 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.800m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,147,500
BONUSES: $887,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $293,333

Some "fat" needs to be trimmed to get under the cap
Contracts like Pyatt, Rupp, Boyle , Asham and Stralman would be the usual suspects here
Replacing/omitting someone like Haley or Biron too, although the former creates no actual cap space
This is also presuming that the key RFA contracts wind up something like this:

* MDZ (2013) $2,500m
* McD (2014) $3,800m
* Stepan (2014) $2,800m
* Hagelin (2014) $2,000m

If you have a crystal ball you might be able to give more accurate figures here. They can of course be debated either way. The only real roster changes in this above scenario from this year would be replacing our 2 UFAs in C Jeff Halpern with #1st round draft pick JT Miller and D Steve Eminger with #1st round draft pick Dylan McIlrath. This would however add to the cap hit. There will almost certainly be more/other changes nobody can foresee, and nothing guarantees that Miller and/or Big Mac are NHL ready next year.

Nonetheless - it is within the realm of possibility that we can keep the team intact (resigning all4 key RFAs) and keeping Ghidorah if we get really creative and get rid of some minor roster fat. Is it likely? I do not know. Nobody does. But it certainly will be interesting to follow...

Letīs play hockey!!!!


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getting recognition as well!!!!!

This is/was on the http://www.nbcnews.com site
not sure about "recognition" but it's better than a lockout

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01-06-2013, 06:23 AM
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Finally. Now lets play some hockey damn it.

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01-06-2013, 06:23 AM
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Wonder what our player's twitters look like.

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01-06-2013, 06:24 AM
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2013/2014 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.800m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,147,500
BONUSES: $887,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $293,333

Some "fat" needs to be trimmed to get under the cap
Contracts like Pyatt, Rupp, Boyle, Asham and Stralman would be the usual suspects here
This is also presuming that the key RFA contracts wind up something like this:

* MDZ (2013) $2,500m
* McD (2014) $3,800m
* Stepan (2014) $2,800m
* Hagelin (2014) $2,000m

If you have a crystal ball you might be able to give more accurate figures here. They can of course be debated either way.

Nonetheless - it is within the realm of possibility that we can keep the team intact (resigning all4 key RFAs) and keeping Ghidorah if we get really creative and get rid of some minor roster fat. Is it likely? I do not know. Nobody does. But it certainly will be interesting to follow...

Letīs play hockey!!!!
Definitely cutting it close! I think Stepan will get between $3-3.5 if the deal extends more then 2 years. If it's less I could see between $2-2.5 (like the bridge contracts Dubi and Cally got, adjusted a bit for inflation). Same could be said for Hagelin, except he'd get closer to $1.5-1.75 on a bridge contract.

I think the Rangers may only lock up McD long term this summer with how tight things may be with the cap. Then see what happens to the cap the following summer. $4 million for McD should be fair on a 4 year deal.

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01-06-2013, 06:28 AM
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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
NHL had hoped to change opening of free agency to July 10 but the players stood firm and it remains July 1 in new CBA

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Obviously for this year only free agency will start later because of late season

Daren Millard ‏@darenmillard
Not official but the new date for free agency will likely be put in play. Needs to be discussed but early leader is July 5th. After holidays

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01-06-2013, 06:38 AM
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Awesome news, everyone! Can't wait to watch some Rangers hockey!

...and resume the REAL discussions on HF.

Regarding the cap calculations:
1) We need to get more detail on everything before we can truly get back to our favorite pastime of forecasting these things, but a BIG one is finding out the details of the buyout. To me "before 2013/2014" means any time from the day the ink is dry through the last day of training camp next year. It's entirely possible that the Rangers may cut Wade lose next week. It would cost them less than paying his full salary and it would give more options to a guy who's been the best of soldiers.

2) BBKers, I think there's something wrong with the cap calculator in 2013/2014. The difference between total cap salaries and total cap is much larger than just -$293K, even when you factor in bonuses rolling over. It should be something closer to -$2MM, no?

3) The change to the cap is going to lead to SEVERAL interesting trades over the next year due to the cap squeeze on higher payroll teams. While I think part of the Rangers' plan is to limit roster turnover year-to-year now that they've built the core, I can't see all that wheeling-dealing going on and Slats not getting involved, can you? I think there will likely be at least one or two new faces next year that are currently not Rangers property.

**** yeah, let's get back to hockey! When do they drop the puck?

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Great news. Now to just dig out all my rangers gear that I refused to wear during this mess.

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Great news. Now to just dig out all my rangers gear that I refused to wear during this mess.
Yup, me too.

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01-06-2013, 06:47 AM
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Awesome news, everyone! Can't wait to watch some Rangers hockey!

...and resume the REAL discussions on HF.

Regarding the cap calculations:
1) We need to get more detail on everything before we can truly get back to our favorite pastime of forecasting these things, but a BIG one is finding out the details of the buyout. To me "before 2013/2014" means any time from the day the ink is dry through the last day of training camp next year. It's entirely possible that the Rangers may cut Wade lose next week. It would cost them less than paying his full salary and it would give more options to a guy who's been the best of soldiers.

2) BBKers, I think there's something wrong with the cap calculator in 2013/2014. The difference between total cap salaries and total cap is much larger than just -$293K, even when you factor in bonuses rolling over. It should be something closer to -$2MM, no?

3) The change to the cap is going to lead to SEVERAL interesting trades over the next year due to the cap squeeze on higher payroll teams. While I think part of the Rangers' plan is to limit roster turnover year-to-year now that they've built the core, I can't see all that wheeling-dealing going on and Slats not getting involved, can you? I think there will likely be at least one or two new faces next year that are currently not Rangers property.

**** yeah, let's get back to hockey! When do they drop the puck?
I believe it is the paid salary. Not the actual caphit. Since Richards contract is front-loaded, it therefore looks bigger as salary is higher than hit. But am not entirely 100% certain. Otherwise YIKES. No more Gaborik...

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01-06-2013, 06:57 AM
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How soon would the first game be?

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How soon would the first game be?
Guessing 1/19 or 1/20

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Expect minor movement... Sather has over $5M in cap space
Would be nice to pick up a top 6 - 9 fwd, or bottom 4 - 6 defensemen via trade..

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[QUOTE=BBKers;57171845]2013/2014 NEW YORK RANGERS

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($2.800m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonaugh ($3.800m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $67,147,500
BONUSES: $887,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $293,333

This is a good estimate. It is doable to get the same team under the cap. They MAY have to make a balzy move like Staal out to say Carolina and a younger Dman like Faulk who is cheaper coming back plus picks, top prospect............one move could get them under. I imagine Rupp is gone just because you cant pay a 4th liner that money.

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Is Gabby ready, everyone else? Would really like to know (hear) current health status of the roster from the organization..

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Guessing 1/19 or 1/20
1/15 or 1/19...if its a 50 or 48 game season according to either millard or lebrun, forget which one.

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Is Gabby ready, everyone else? Would really like to know (hear) current health status of the roster from the organization..
Should all be healthy other than sauer.

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Is Gabby ready, everyone else? Would really like to know (hear) current health status of the roster from the organization..
Gabby is ready. Don't think Sauer is and there was a report the other day that Hagelins shoulder might need surgery but I don't think it was from a reliable source.

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Gabby is ready. Don't think Sauer is and there was a report the other day that Hagelins shoulder might need surgery but I don't think it was from a reliable source.
I think hagelin has a strained shoulder. He should be able to play through a 65 game year. Maybe a cortizone shot to get through.

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