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01-06-2013, 10:17 AM
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Replace Asham with Rupp as he's suspended. Maybe Hrivik/Miller get a shot for the first two games.
Kreider with Boyle?.. yikes, I dont like that pairing, Boyle can't keep up with him.

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Kreider with Boyle?.. yikes, I dont like that pairing, Boyle can't keep up with him.
yea Kreider needs to be on a line with Gabby or Nash so everyone is worried about them and leaves Kreider to snipe some goals. I think he plays with Stepan and Gabby to start.

Hagelin just makes more sense as an energy player on a 3rd line plus it could be a solid shutdown line vs. other teams top lines. Boyle wont score a bunch but he is a good Pker

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01-06-2013, 10:28 AM
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Kolarik provides nothing on the 4th line, think Enver Lisin or Petr Prucha on the 4th line and all of their "production." If we are looking for an extra 4th line body Newbury or Haley will get that shot, Kolarik is a skilled player who didn't look too bad in his time with the Rangers 2 seasons ago.

I remember another player close to Kolarik's age who had no business being on the big team a few years ago, PA Parenteau and look at how well that one worked out for us. Age is a number, if he fits into out system, plays his heart out, and can produce I don't care where he came from or that he is 27.

I know he's not a fourth liner; that wasn't the point. The point is that he's an AHL top-six guy and that's it. Parenteau was ALWAYS projected as a low risk/high reward pick and just couldn't put it together and crack anyone's lineup. Kolarik has bounced around without cracking anyone's lineup either, but he was never projected as a boom/bust pick and doesn't have nearly the upside in the first place. He's also a bit older than PA was when PA started showing something in the NHL. More to the point, we are poised for a cup run. Especially in a shortened season, we're not going to give a 27 year old never has been his chance in our top-nine when we need to focus on getting into the playoffs, developing chemistry in our forward lines and being ready to rumble in the post season. It's not the year to give the kid a tryout.


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01-06-2013, 10:46 AM
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yea Kreider needs to be on a line with Gabby or Nash so everyone is worried about them and leaves Kreider to snipe some goals. I think he plays with Stepan and Gabby to start.

Hagelin just makes more sense as an energy player on a 3rd line plus it could be a solid shutdown line vs. other teams top lines. Boyle wont score a bunch but he is a good Pker
If we're going by last season it's actually Callahan that is better suited for 3rd line duties, not Hagelin.

Hagelin was ~top 30 in the entire league in even strength points per minute, elite 1st line numbers. While some of it was due to hot streaks and linemates, he produced very well in the bottom 6 when he was called up as well. He had great chemistry with Richards even before Gaborik was out on their line.

Callahan OTOH does most of his scoring on the PP, and has rather pedestrian offensive numbers at ES, where he contributes with his hustle and all-round play - like a 3rd liner.

Hagelin should play with Richards at ES with limited PP time on the 2nd unit since his game doesn't really translate, while Callahan should play on the third line shutting down the opponents at ES, park his ass in front of the net on the our first PP unit and play the PK to perfection as he has done with great success the past two years.

E: All this is assuming Kreider is able to handle top 6 minutes, otherwise there is room for both of them in the top 6.


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01-06-2013, 10:49 AM
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Hagelin - Richards - Gaborik
Nash - Stepan - Callahan
Kreider - Boyle - Pyatt
Asham - Halpern - Rupp

Knowing Torts he will not play Gaborik and Nash together unless down by a goal late in a game.

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01-06-2013, 10:54 AM
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If we're going by last season it's actually Callahan that is better suited for 3rd line duties, not Hagelin.

Hagelin was ~top 30 in the entire league in even strength points per minute, elite 1st line numbers. While some of it was due to hot streaks and linemates, he produced very well in the bottom 6 when he was called up as well. He had great chemistry with Richards even before Gaborik was out on their line.

Callahan OTOH does most of his scoring on the PP, and has rather pedestrian offensive numbers at ES, where he contributes with his hustle and all-round play - like a 3rd liner.

Hagelin should play with Richards at ES with limited PP time on the 2nd unit since his game doesn't really translate, while Callahan should play on the third line shutting down the opponents at ES, park his ass in front of the net on the our first PP unit and play the PK to perfection as he has done with great success the past two years.
This is actually most close to the truth. Callahan was a third liner until very recently. His offense has kind of exploded but it's largely been due to PP and playing with more talented linemates. He really is the ideal third liner (and fits so nicely next to Boyle) who will play top PP minutes and top PK minutes, still rounding out to a good 20+ per night.

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01-06-2013, 10:54 AM
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I know he's not a fourth liner; that wasn't the point. The point is that he's an AHL top-six guy and that's it. Parenteau was ALWAYS projected as much better than Kolarik and just hadn't put it together and cracked the lineup. Kolarik has bounced around without cracking anyone's lineup, doesn't have a very high upside in the first place and and he's older than PA was when PA started showing something in the NHL. More to the point, we are poised for a cup run. Especially in a shortened season, we're not going to give a 27 year old never has been his chance in our top-nine when we need to focus on getting into the playoffs, developing chemistry in our forward lines and being ready to rumble in the post season. It's not the year to give a kid a tryout.
Parenteau was considered AHL fodder when he was given a chance with this team. He was not supposed to make the NHL at any point once we signed him, he was signed to be an AHL player. I never said I want Kolarik sniffing the top 2 lines, but we have some serious issues to address:

IMO these are our lines
Hagelin-Richards-Gaborik
Kreider-Stepan-Nash (Who better for Kreider to learn from then Nash?)
Pyatt-Boyle-Callahan (3rd line that can score)
Asham-Halpern-Rupp (that 4th line is garbage)

So do we rush Miller up here to play on the 3rd line and push Pyatt to the 4th line? I don't want another Manny Malhotra but then again this isn't Muckler running the Rangers. Do give Kolarik a shot on the 3rd line and push Pyatt back to the 4th line of
Pyatt-Halpern-Asham

Or do we sign another forward to play on the 4th line so Kolarik and Miller stay in the AHL?

There are a lot of questions and not much time to answer them, but if we start the season with that 4th line, expect that line to cost us goals on a regular basis.

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01-06-2013, 11:00 AM
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Kolaik has never had the AHL success that PAP did. He'll get a look, but let's not start drawing that comparison just yet.

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01-06-2013, 11:06 AM
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Brooks says everyone is healthy, Kreider will be in camp and Miller won't. Asham is suspended to start the season so the Rangers will need an extra forward to start the season. Sounds like Gilroy will get a shot to earn a contract at least. $6+ mill in space to sign Del Zotto, maybe Gilroy, etc

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01-06-2013, 11:10 AM
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Hagelin Richards Landeskog
Kreider Galchenchyuk Nash

oh wait thats my NHL 13 lineup



Hagelin Stepan Nash
Kreider Richards Gaborik
Pyatt Miller Callahan
Boyle Halpern Rupp

Asham (suspended from last season, 1 more game)
Haley extra scratch/depth forward

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How about we just add a depth forward who has proven they ARE an NHL player?

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Brooks just tweeted Hrivik could get a look in camp. He's earned it IMO, has played really well.

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Rupp-Halpern-Asham/Haley/Bickel

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The bottom six will be looking a lot sexier when Miller, Fast, and Lindberg will be contending for spots next season. McIlrath probably has the #6 defense spot locked up for the 2013-14 season provided he doesn't have a major injury or developmental setback.

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Brooks just tweeted Hrivik could get a look in camp. He's earned it IMO, has played really well.
Agreed. Could slot in nicely in the bottom six. Defensively responsible and can boost the offensive production from those lines. Kid is looking like a really solid find by our scouts.

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01-06-2013, 11:32 AM
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What about signing a UFA is there is a depth issue and the kids need more time? Some guys like Hecht, Winchester, Darche are still out there. Not that these guys are great but they could offer a better 4th line option than what is proposed now.

Is Columbus or Nashville swapping spots with Winnipeg in the East this year?

Also, is Redden coming back to the Whale? It would be great to have him work with McLIrath.

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Kolaik has never had the AHL success that PAP did. He'll get a look, but let's not start drawing that comparison just yet.
Parenteau played in the AHL for 8 years, Kolarik is entering his 4th year... How can you compare level of success when someone was a seasoned veteran, 2 years away from being a 10 year player in the AHL. Yes PA's stats are better long term, but if you look at the first 4 years and compare them Kolarik actually has better stats point wise and are extremely close in goals.

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3-line team with 4th that can log time.

Nash with Richards, and a 3rd player on that line who WILL be happy to do the dirty work and not worry about his production. Stupid by Torts to start Nash on a line with Gabby. Nash needs to 1. Learn NY, 2. Learn to play with Richards. That's enough work for several years. You don't need 3. Learn to play with Gabby. Pyatt is a decent fit with Richards, AND nobody would worry if he didn't get to play his style and whatnot.

I like a clutch -- good -- 3rd line. Ie Cally on it. There will be nights were the skill guys won't cut it for us, on those nights Kreider-Boyle-Cally is our goto line.

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Parenteau played in the AHL for 8 years, Kolarik is entering his 4th year... How can you compare level of success when someone was a seasoned veteran, 2 years away from being a 10 year player in the AHL. Yes PA's stats are better long term, but if you look at the first 4 years and compare them Kolarik actually has better stats point wise and are extremely close in goals.
Fair enough. That's a good point and I did overlook it. I always forget that Kolarik hasn't had as much time in the AHL. Still a longshot though.

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Parenteau played in the AHL for 8 years, Kolarik is entering his 4th year... How can you compare level of success when someone was a seasoned veteran, 2 years away from being a 10 year player in the AHL. Yes PA's stats are better long term, but if you look at the first 4 years and compare them Kolarik actually has better stats point wise and are extremely close in goals.
Is Chad Kolarik your cousin man? He was drafted 8 years ago and has a whopping six games of NHL experience and isn't a standout in the AHL either. He is not going to be an NHL regular and especially not on this team, this year. Why are you defending him so vehemently? He barely even qualifies as a fringe player.

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i hope Gilroy doesnt get signed....i really dont care much for him. he doesnt do anything that helps this team. he would be a good fit on a bad team though. let him go to the Jackets, Flames or Leafs. he would be a better fit.

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Nash - Richards - Callahan
Krieder - Stepan - Gaborik
Hagelin - Miller - Pyatt
Ashem - Boyle - Halpern
Rupp

If Miller was ready
Don't really like Boyle as the #3 center.

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What about signing a UFA is there is a depth issue and the kids need more time? Some guys like Hecht, Winchester, Darche are still out there. Not that these guys are great but they could offer a better 4th line option than what is proposed now.

Is Columbus or Nashville swapping spots with Winnipeg in the East this year?

Also, is Redden coming back to the Whale? It would be great to have him work with McLIrath.

which one.. the former Blues Stars player Chad or the former Senators Jesse??

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Nash - Richards - Callahan
Krieder - Stepan - Gaborik
Hagelin - Miller - Pyatt
Ashem - Boyle - Halpern
Rupp

If Miller was ready

Don't really like Boyle as the #3 center.
id love if that was to happen.... maybe with him playing well for team USA might maybe let the Rangers give him a few games right off of the bat...

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Is Chad Kolarik your cousin man? He was drafted 8 years ago and has a whopping six games of NHL experience and isn't a standout in the AHL either. He is not going to be an NHL regular and especially not on this team, this year. Why are you defending him so vehemently? He barely even qualifies as a fringe player.
No relationship to Kolarik hahaha and I don't care if he makes the team. I am just tired of how people will say throw a skilled player on the 4th line and that solves the problem. It never works lets look at our track record of success with that:
Dawes
Prucha
Lisin
Parenteau
Hossa
and Etc.

Our 4th line is dog crap to put it lightly, I wish Pyatt would be on the 4th line which means we need a 3rd line winger. Hopefully we sign someone for the 3rd line or someone better suited for the 4th line, but we have a serious issue with depth and if you remember our top lines were worn down by the time we played the Devils.

Lastly, plenty of players take time to properly develop into NHL players, Parenteau is just an example. I would much rather see a guy like Kolarik given a chance as opposed to seeing Newbury who is a 1st line AHL player serve as a punching bag taking dumb penalties and providing nothing on the 4th line. Players can only be successful if used properly, see Manny Malhotra for questions.

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