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01-06-2013, 01:13 PM
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Pretty sure Hossa would get 2/3s of whats left on his current contract, and then he would also get his new contract, which could make him more money in the end.
No, I think the buy out is like the nba amnesty clause. They get the entire balance of the contract but it's off your cap

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01-06-2013, 01:15 PM
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Maybe take Komisarek from the Leafs and have them ship us a pick with him.

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01-06-2013, 01:16 PM
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No, I think the buy out is like the nba amnesty clause. They get the entire balance of the contract but it's off your cap
With that, you also can't resign him for 6 months.

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01-06-2013, 01:25 PM
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I believe Hawkaholic is right which makes sense for Hossa to be one of the buy outs. Hossa was one of the Hawks best players but it remains to be seen if he can pick up where he left off due to the extent of the concussion he suffered. The other thing is that I doubt very much that Hossa will play out the remaining of years of his present contract. Because of his injuries, I doubt he plays more than 2 or 3 years at the most.

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01-06-2013, 01:28 PM
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All this talk of dumping Hossa

I have more concerns about Toews going forward then Hossa

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01-06-2013, 01:30 PM
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All this talk of dumping Hossa

I have more concerns about Toews going forward then Hossa
Huh, Toews has minimal time left on his contract.

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01-06-2013, 01:32 PM
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There's no way they would ever buy out Toews, and there's no reason to. Hossa might make sense after the 2014 season if they still have the buyout left and he gets injured again. If they plan on using it this coming summer, I wouldn't be a fan of the buyout, even if his performance isn't too great this year.

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Not talking buyout with Toews

But everyone is talking about Hossa being done or such because of age/1 big concussion

Toews IMO is far more a risk for being injury concern longterm then Hossa

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01-06-2013, 01:35 PM
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The good thing is we will get a good look at Hossa before a decision needs to be made.

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Let's be real here...they aren't buying out Hossa.

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Maybe take Komisarek from the Leafs and have them ship us a pick with him.
It'd have to be about two first rounders to take that pilon.

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Maybe take Komisarek from the Leafs and have them ship us a pick with him.
Yeah Rocky after years of throwing money away on Huet/Olesz will gladly take on another teams mistake and throw away more money

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Do contracts in the AHL count against the cap now?

Because if not, I don't think they're buying out Olesz.

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01-06-2013, 01:39 PM
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Yeah Rocky after years of throwing money away on Huet/Olesz will gladly take on another teams mistake and throw away more money
Well, knowing the Leafs, we'd probably end up getting Seth Jones.

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Well, knowing the Leafs, we'd probably end up getting Seth Jones.
Leafs aren't that bad now and if they acquire Luongo they likely are a playoff team IMO

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Want to be clear, I dont want to buy Hossa out, would only want to see it if we could possibly resign him to a shorter contract.

Or, if they are talking to Corey Perry and replace Hossa with him.

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As far as I have seen it explained, you will not be able to buy a player out and then resign him. That's my understanding.

If you were a player who has been as good as Hossa and has made as much money as him, would you even resign with a team that bought you out and then wants you for less than what your current contract was? I wouldn't resign with the same team.

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Leafs aren't that bad now and if they acquire Luongo they likely are a playoff team IMO
not only that, which would obviously be of great benefit to them, but in such a short season, we could see some huge surprises. A typical two week run that teams would have in a regular season could see them jump leaps and bounds in this shortened season. Aside from a few bottom-feeders, I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone in the playoffs this season really.

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I wonder if the possibility of being bought out is going to motivate some players to step up this season. It's effectively a contract year for everyone, after all.

Sure, the obvious players should be safe. Toews, Kane, etc. have nothing to worry about. But guys like Crawford, Hammer, and Montador might realize they aren't completely safe and step up their games to make sure they still have a contract with the Blackhawks next season.

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Currently I wouldn't buy Hossa out but if he has any issues this year, it has to be considered next off-season.

It would also help to know how these old contracts will be treated if a player retires or if LTIR will still exist.

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Unless the Hawks and Hossa know something that we don't...there's no way in hell that Hossa gets bought out. He's one of our best players.
We don't know the exact wording of the new CBA yet, but if the Owner's included the clause about current contracts of 7+ years counting against the cap even if the player retires then Hossa becomes arguably the most logical buyout. Remember Hossa will be 34 by the time this season starts and still has 9 years left on his contract (and only 4 of them at his current actual salary). Does anyone really believe he will keep playing when he is 37 and actual salary gets cut in half?

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As far as I have seen it explained, you will not be able to buy a player out and then resign him. That's my understanding.

If you were a player who has been as good as Hossa and has made as much money as him, would you even resign with a team that bought you out and then wants you for less than what your current contract was? I wouldn't resign with the same team.
The reason you can not resign a player after buying him out is because it makes it easy to circumvent the cap.

Why would Hossa not take this arrangement, Hey Marion what we are going to do is buy you out so you get all your money from your contract plus resign for some more money and they we have extra cap space to improve the team as well.

Also I don't see Hossa getting bought out at all. Now way Rocky pays Hossa 30 mil to not even dress for the Hawks. Plus in all reality after this year Hossa only is a risk for three years after that he only gets a 4 mil salary for one year and then 1 mil per year after that. He becomes a salary cap floor teams wet dream at that point. Cheap owner gets to pay a mil in real money and gets a cap hit of 5.5 mil.

Just way to many reasons why Hossa does not get bought out.

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Hossa is owned 39.6 MILLION from 13-14 forward. Again, he is NOT being bought out, and you'd be an idiot to even consider it...

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01-06-2013, 03:56 PM
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I would think about this. Good for us that we have the chance to see how he does UNTIL the summer.

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Not talking buyout with Toews

But everyone is talking about Hossa being done or such because of age/1 big concussion

Toews IMO is far more a risk for being injury concern longterm then Hossa
I'm with you. Two solid concussions in the last two seasons, at his age? Not good.

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