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01-06-2013, 02:04 PM
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I don't know about that. I don't think a player with a KHL deal in place and who had already used that deal to get out of another team would really command that much value. ROR in a vacuum is worth a lot. ROR in a contract dispute isn't.
All the NHL team would need to do is beat his KHL contract though, which would probably be worked out ahead of time before a trade even happened.

To be honest... if he's traded it will be to a team that is willing to give him what he wants, in contract term. (The issue between him and Colorado was reported to be contract length, not money.)

So yeah... Edler as a UFA isn't even close. Especially with a shortened season.

In line with the OP's post, I will add that... If contract term was an issue before the CBA was worked out. It will likely be much less of an issue post CBA.

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Anyways, over the past 3 seasons Edler has averaged 49 points over 82 games. So I'm sorry if I called him a 50 point defenseman. And how do you consider ROR better than Edler defensively, if they play completely different positions? I'd say with certainty that Edler is better defensively, because he is a defenseman.

Meanwhile ROR only has one season with more than 26 points. There's no guarantee he'll be able to improve upon last season, or even to maintain it.
it's actually only 48.6..... Why do you keep stretching the truth Pinocchio?

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How is Edler looking for a big payday? Or how is he any different than O'Reilly, who according to the OP's premise, cannot agree on a contract with the Avs? I haven't heard any rumours about Edler wanting to leave due to contract issues.
Hamhuis and Bieksa are pulling down $4.5m/$4.6m each, while Edler's played for a team friendly $3.2m per the last few yrs.

You are kidding yourself if you don't expect Edler to be looking for a big payday.

and your comment that the soon to be ufa is a solid return for ROR, is a laughable comment

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01-06-2013, 02:07 PM
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Hamhuis and Bieksa are pulling down $4.5m/$4.6m each, while Edler's played for a team friendly $3.2m per the last few yrs.

You are kidding yourself if you don't expect Edler to be looking for a big payday.

and your comment that the soon to be ufa is a solid return for ROR, is a laughable comment
Obviously he'll get a raise, as will ROR. But why do you assume Edler will want to be paid more than he's worth over ROR?

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01-06-2013, 02:10 PM
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Obviously he'll get a raise, as will ROR. But why do you assume Edler will want to be paid more than he's worth over ROR?
Because Radar is an RFA, and Edler is a UFA? That's a fair assumption.

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it's actually only 48.6..... Why do you keep stretching the truth Pinocchio?
Actually, I averaged each season's PPG individually, added it together, and divided it by 3, which would be 49.12487 points over 82 games. If it really matters that much to you, we can do it your way. It doesn't answer any of the points I raised though.

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I do understand that there is no reason to panick and claim ROR wants out by all means possible just yet, really, I do. Plus I am a Pens fan, so I don`t even have a dog in this middle six center hunt. But, honestly, the premise of this post is that ROR will not agree to a contract with the Avs and in that (totally hypothetical) situation he is not going to return a bona fide top pairing D. Which BTW Edler is and Leddy is SO NOT. Unless of course Edler goes all elephant in the china shop on VAN as well.

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01-06-2013, 02:15 PM
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Because Radar is an RFA, and Edler is a UFA? That's a fair assumption.
What does that have to do with what kind of contract they are asking for?

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What does that have to do with what kind of contract they are asking for?
Edler has leverage. O'Reilly doesn't. Edler can hold out for a bidding war. O'Reilly can't.

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01-06-2013, 02:19 PM
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Edler has leverage. O'Reilly doesn't. Edler can hold out for a bidding war. O'Reilly can't.
O'Reilly can sign an offer sheet can't he?

Or play overseas until someone's willing to give him what he wants in the NHL(which is why he signed that 2 year deal in the KHL, I believe, to give him leverage)

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O'Reilly can sign an offer sheet can't he?

Or play overseas until someone's willing to give him what he wants in the NHL(which is why he signed that 2 year deal in the KHL, I believe, to give him leverage)
Now you're just grasping at straws. There's no way O'Reilly does either of those things.

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01-06-2013, 02:21 PM
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Obviously he'll get a raise, as will ROR. But why do you assume Edler will want to be paid more than he's worth over ROR?
I'm not comparing what Edler is worth, to what ROR is worth.
I'm pointing out that Edler is a ufa this summer, who I expect will be getting a sizeable new contract

Edler can wait until July 1st and have his agent contact every team in the league, then go sign with highest bidder if he chooses.

ROR will not be a ufa for another 3 and 1/2 seasons. His KHL contract, says if his NHL team makes a more lucrative offer then his KHL contract, Metallurg will not interfere in that contract being concluded.

The Avs can either sign ROR to a more lucrative deal then his KHL contract and keep him. Or, they can shop him around for a strong return with one of the deeper pocketed teams in the NHL and complete a sign and trade deal.

The Avs can certainly bring back more then an impending ufa, who'll be very sought after if he gets to the ufa market.

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01-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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Now you're just grasping at straws. There's no way O'Reilly does either of those things.
If the Avs are unwilling to trade him or offer him what he wants, why wouldn't he sign an offer sheet(like Shea Weber did to force Nashville's hand before the new CBA came around)?

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If the Avs are unwilling to trade him or offer him what he wants, why wouldn't he sign an offer sheet(like Shea Weber did to force Nashville's hand before the new CBA came around)?
The Avs have cap space up the wazoo. There's no reason the Avs would low-ball him. Secondly, if he demanded a trade, the Avs would trade him to a team who would certainly be able to lock him up, so the RFA thing would be moot.

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Outside perspective: Bogo for ROR
I'd do it.

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Edler has leverage. O'Reilly doesn't. Edler can hold out for a bidding war. O'Reilly can't.
Juxtaposer is right. Edler heading to UFA gives him that leverage.

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Outside perspective: Bogo for ROR
I like it, but is Winnipeg's D strong enough to lose Bogo?

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The Avs have cap space up the wazoo. There's no reason the Avs would low-ball him. Secondly, if he demanded a trade, the Avs would trade him to a team who would certainly be able to lock him up, so the RFA thing would be moot.
The Avalanche low-ball everyone.

And I believe the dispute between them was contract length anyways.

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The Avs have cap space up the wazoo. There's no reason the Avs would low-ball him.
So then what's the premise of this thread? If they're just going to re-sign him, then it would take overpayment to pry him out, which I'm not interested in doing. I thought the whole point was that he wants more than the Avs would give him.

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Secondly, if he demanded a trade, the Avs would trade him to a team who would certainly be able to lock him up, so the RFA thing would be moot.
I agree, which is why I think Edler has about equivalent value to ROR, because contracts aside Edler is the better player.

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Outside perspective: Bogo for ROR
Bogo's a righty. If he were a lefty, probably fair.

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I agree, which is why I think Edler has about equivalent value to ROR, because contracts aside Edler is the better player.
Edler is a rental. Do you need a list of what rentals who were better players than Edler returned? Not O'Reillys.

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So then what's the premise of this thread? If they're just going to re-sign him, then it would take overpayment to pry him out, which I'm not interested in doing. I thought the whole point was that he wants more than the Avs would give him.



I agree, which is why I think Edler has about equivalent value to ROR, because contracts aside Edler is the better player.
If you want to know the premise of the thread, reread the OP.

If you would like Radar on your team, what would you be willing to pay, whether it takes overpayment or not.

A pending ufa for a rfa is not good value any which way you look at it.

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Edler is a rental. Do you need a list of what rentals who were better players than Edler returned? Not O'Reillys.
Yeah, they've returned multiple players of varying calibre/potential, all of which were actually signed to a contract.

I could also reverse the question and say when is the last time a player without a contract with RFA rights was traded for a better player, even on a one-year deal.

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Yeah, they've returned multiple players of varying calibre/potential, all of which were actually signed to a contract.

I could also reverse the question and say when is the last time a player without a contract was traded for a better player, even on a one-year deal.
Do you even know how RFA works? Even if O'Reilly doesn't re-sign, they still get full value in a trade for him.

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